I don't want purity tests because we, on the left, are incapable of reaching a consensus on much of anything. If we can't agree to tolerate a limited amount of disagreement with each other, we can't work together on the things we do agree on, and those things tend to be kind of important.
Yeah purity testing has burned so many bridges unnecessarily.
It's one thing to hold yourself to a standard, it's another to repeatedly alienate yourself because nobody is pure enough to measure up.
The American left has been ineffectual because it's as interested in fighting itself as it is fighting conservatives.
Undecided/uninformed voters see the difference between the parties as: endless pissing contest vs proud ignorance. At least the ignorant are having fun and getting shit done.
Until the culture stops prioritizing smuggies over who's the best leftist and starts prioritizing meaningful action we're just going to keep losing.
We need to start treating politics as a popularity contest and not like a reddit comments pissing contest.
When you demand perfection over progress you push people out of the learning zone into the panic zone where they double down on their comfort zone
My experience with purity tests is that they typically wielded from a place of privilege, often in such a way as to defend themselves from criticism. I've seen purity tests used to dismiss sexual assault and ignore the lived experiences of marginalized communities.
Reality doesn't fit neatly into boxes like the people who wield purity tests seem to want. Sometimes people don't have the same opportunities to learn and understand. Sometimes you have to work with people who support policies that would see you dead. Not only does perfect not exist, the pursuit of it is one of the biggest barriers to achieving actual meaningful progress.
Jesus Christ, a meme unironically supporting purity tests, what the actual fuck.
Can any of you that support purity tests actually pass all the purity tests?
Yes. By lying.
The fucked up thing us I often fail left purity tests for being too far left.
That said: too many red flags and I'm out, even if they got stars or tools on em
The people on lemmy complaining about purity tests are typically the ones to rally to the defense of a US marine and Blackwater merc with 4 tours in Iraq, 1 in Afghanistan and a tattoo of the SS skull because he is running as a democrat.
Are you describing some actual person or is that a hyperbole?
That's pretty funny. I checked the tattoo and yeah dude got (accidentally or not) a Nazi tattoo. Pretty funny if he didn't know about it lol
Nice straw man
He's also a self described communist, which just makes the whole thing funnier
Doing the feds work for free during a government shutdown, no less
I feel like the problem with purity tests is that it doesn't allow for progress in the correct direction. Instead they demand either total and complete victory on every issue at once, or else we let the Nazis keep winning.
Easy to see when there's a proxy argument or flamewar going on because few of the comments engage with what's actually been said 😅 A couple things I see:
There's a false dichotomy between saying "I don't want purity tests" and being 100% hell-bent on 'perfect purity' of some sort. For example, I came back after a break to see people in Linuxy communities fighting against 'purity testing' a blatant racist, among others. On one 'side' I see "Purity testing is bad!" and on the other 'side' it's "Okay but open bigotry maybe a little bad too???"
People seem to be seriously insisting that everyone sit down, shut up, and blindly support the US Democratic Party? Never call anything out, never seek 'better,' only accept what's offered from above 🐎🧟 (pretend that's a donkey, okay? 😅 ) Anyway, maybe I'm out of line and "lefty" is farther from "leftist" than I think buuuut... no. The left is about a better world, not quiet acceptance. Maybe try hanging out with other liberals and moderates? Could be they're less eager to argue their own ideas or against what they see as wrong.
tl;dr: True purity tests are for auth garbage but I think what's going on here is people crying "zomg ur the real nazis" when somebody calls out a bigot.
Ask any of the "no purity test" people how they feel about AES and you'll quickly discover that "no purity tests" only means "don't criticize the Democrats"
Or apparently if they have nazi tattoos
Strengthening my opinion that mr crypto is a terminally online troll who gets his jollies fostering leftist infighting.
When I posted the meme to call out bigots, it wasn’t a roll call.
Find evidence of me being a bigot
Notice how sunshine/aqua/million other stalker aliases has no evidence?
BTW my grandmother was from Lviv, and the thing sunshine is accusing me of is because I once expressed the opinion that western Europe and the USA are prolonging the war with no intention of fighting Russia because they love to see Slavs kill each other since they don't consider us proper humans.
You hating Ukrainians
Naeva being based? Must be a day ending in y
It just seems insane to me that anyone could look at the death toll, the injuries, the people being conscripted, the flattened cities, the POWs and consider this a good outcome because a lot of Russians also died.
You have to really hate Slavs if you're that full of glee at fields of dead that you don't care that the side you're "supporting" is in ruins and the government is forcing people into the meat grinder.
Fight them, or find a way to stop the death. Russia has more people, they will win a war of attrition.
But hey if you're a French president or whatever you get to test your hardware, weaken Russia, kill off a lot of those pesky Slavs that keep migrating for work that really riles up the racists against the EU, and you can postition yourself as the leader of an axis for freedom. It's wins all round.
lol sunshine: states don't suffer, people do. I don't care for the russian state, hell I'd love to see Putin and his oligarchs hanging skinned in a public square along with every other blood thirsty parasite crushing us all. I just find it pretty telling that it's always people considered "undesirables" by those in power who suffer and die for Realpolitik.
Reminder that this user also argues that the USSR had no choice but to be nazi collaborators.
Reminder that this user argues that the 27 million soviet citizens the nazis killed all had it coming because of the molotov ribbentop pact
Nice try, tankie, but I never said the civilians had it coming, that was a misrepresentation by Hexbear vatniks because they can’t comprehend anyone not falling for soviet propaganda decades after that state failed.
This is what I am referring to https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?commentId=21948235
I said authoritarians, I did not say civilians. I was under the impression that when I said soldiers, and they quoted the 27 million, that they were not also referring to civilians. that was not the case, and as expected the tankies are dishonest and started passing around the rumors that I support genocide. a ridiculous notion that would have gotten me banned if true. as you can see, I am not banned, because the admins are not idiots and are not falling for tankie rage farming.
I am a fan of every soldier from any country who invades another dying. especially american soldiers.
I love you don't link to the context because it'll make you look stupid.
the context is you argued the soviets were justified working with the nazis. there isn't any further context that will make that a moral high ground for you.
Always supporting the aggressor state of Moscow.
Wow I can't believe you just said that. You've just failed the purity test and youre basically as bad as Donald Trump.....
Tankie comes out again.
The fuck is a purity test?
it's a democrat pejorative they use when people say, for example, they wouldn't be willing to vote for gavin newsom as president because he's a transphobe. in other words, a dog whistle for bigots.
Bit of an oversimplification but: "if you don't agree with me on 100% of the issues you're just as bad as the person who disagrees with me on 100% of the issues."
Often cited as a big reason why we can't come together to defeat the far-right influenced right who do come together when it matters to get in office.
Purity tests are fine. Requiring Zero parts per trillion levels of purity is a problem. Those people don't exist.
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