Regardless if the guy deserved it or not, killing them in a country you are supposed to be on good terms with is not the way to go about it.
At this point India is barely even trying to hide it.
Also, the guy in question was a Canadian citizen.
That doesn't really matter. What matters is that he was in Canada at the time.
I can see your point, but still feel that his being a citizen compounds the issue.
"the guy deserved it" should never be justification for a state to kill someone. Even if you think capital punishment is justified, it should only be after a fair trial. And, if someone has a capital punishment sentence against them, that's only valid within their own borders.
If you violate a country's monopoly of the use of force within their own borders, that's a step on the path to war.
Yeah, extradition exists
What's interesting is that India has been claiming the guy is a terrorist for years, but never really gave specific examples of what made him a terrorist other than his spouting separatist beliefs (which maybe is enough in India to arrest someone?)
But they also don't seem to have bothered to even try to extradite him, which seems telling in itself.
Not only that, but Canada has proven its firm hand on this. When China went apeshit after Meng Wanzhou's arrest in Canada to extradite her to the USA, Canada stuck to its guns. Even after two Canadians were taken hostage by the Chinese government in a retaliatory arrest, Meng stayed under arrest with her extradition going forward, while the rest of the world (including Modi's India) politely looked the other way rather than angering China.
India cannot possibly claim they couldn't have gotten results from Canada if they'd gone through the legal system.
never previously in the friendly and orderly West.
Well, started reading the article, got to this line and cringed.
It is a vague reference that they are following the route of China and Russia by ignoring and abusing the laws of western states.
Oh no, its a clear reference to the blind eye the west & the world has turned to the ongoing genocide of Muslims & Christians in India by Modi govt & the Hindu supremacist thugs it supports.
For a kinder and friendlier colonism.
As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don't want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.
The thing is we're scared of China and you're the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.
If the west is scared of China, then India's PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China's name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country's ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.
Maybe I should have said historical ideological similarities. India has been a democracy, which makes you seem much more trustworthy than China. Democracy is having a hard time in many places right now, though.
What evidence do you want to see about a state-sponsored assassination? It's happened twice now and you think it's an accident?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-homicide-victim-wanted-india-1.6975772
Just yesterday.
Fair enough, I see where you're coming from and fully expect some proof. I do however have doubts that any proof will ever be conclusive enough to convince people and certainly not enough to get Modi to admit the truth if his govt is truly behind it. So what will providing proof accomplish anyway? Not providing proof might be a tactic to elicit lies that can be demonstrated as such through a trickle release of proof, enough to prove that the deniers are liars.
At the end of the day, Canada is a sovereign country and they are free to level a number of consequences against a foreign government if they so desire, including sanctions, visa restrictions, and so on. The only proof they need is for themselves, and to take action that will protect Canadians from foreign assassinations in the future. Canada really does not have to prove anything to India, especially if they do not believe the Indian govt is acting in good faith.
So what will providing proof accomplish anyway?
I don't agree. Something is better than nothing, even if things are heavily redacted. I as a common man may not interprete them adequately but there are people who can. Especially people from the intelligece community can check and somewhat verify if there is anything plausible with respect to the accusitions. This important for the allies of the Canada too. Canada is a member five eyes, so they can definitely validate their gathered intels with the likes of UK, US if the evidence deemed unfit for public release. So far I have not seen any of those countries conclusively made statements that they validated Canada's allegations. The investigation is ongoing anyway.
It does not matter whether Indian PM admits it or not if evidence is there and the international community verified and largely accepts it as truth. So far I haven't seen this happen.
Off course Canada can do whatever they choose in their jurisdiction. For example, many countries creates travel advisory for their citizens regarding which countries are deemed safe / not safe for them to travel to. If country X says that country Y is unsafe for their citizens to travel to, it's perfectly fine. However, that doesn't mean country Y is universally unsafe. But, when it comes to international relations we can't just hurl allegation to another sovereign country without any evidence, independent verification / backing. Because tomorrow country Z can allege something outrageous about country A without evidence, will the international community accept that without questions as well?
Personally I feel diplomacy from both sides have failed us. It's their job to handle these things more gracefully.
I understand, it sounds like you are concerned for India's international reputation in light of these allegations, and rightfully so. It's unfair from the perspective of a common citizen that your country gets flamed like this without proof, and insulting that people just say "well it's Canada, they aren't lying".
It's just that I trust my government and institutions and I believe them. Biden and Trudeau both spoke to Modi before this was released. Journalists in Canada were going to release this if the government didn't. I truly believe that handling it this way was bad for Canada too, so I don't see an incentive for Canada to lie which I do see for the Indian govt. Don't forget that other countries have their own relationships with India and will make their own decisions about supporting the allegations, not necessarily in light of the quality of proof but rather for pragmatic reasons. I think this whole affair will be painful for normal people in both countries, so in that sense you're absolutely right that diplomacy failed.
Still I'm curious: what do you think would be the reaction if the allegations turn out to be true?
Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607
Our government has not released a single statement saying 'we didn't do it' AFAIK. Let us know if you find any.
And if we didn't there should be equally measured consequences for the once who made acquisitions without adequate proof
India's Modi govt that practices domestic terrorism on its own citizens within india, wants to make India known as a terrorist state in the global stage.
modi isnt humble and so isnt his government. modis shitty support for russia is wrong. he has already lost touch with reality. i think the image of india in the west is falling rapidly, but i am sure modiist know why everyone else is wrong. time to rename the country. it is no longer happy nice india, bad bahRAT.
If Canada follows the 9/11 protocol, they would invade pakistan
Nah, too close to India. Invade Iran on bullshit pretenses that have a tenuous connection with the situation even taken at face value.
Are we pretending the West doesn't order murders in other countries?
Well, for one, I doubt Canada does it, and for another, the Americans at least have the self-respect to own what they're doing when somebody calls them out on it instead of switching into crybully mode and throw a diplomatic temper tantrum like Modi is.
I don't recall Obama ever pulling diplomats and visas from Pakistan when their government was angry about US airstrikes in their country.
"I didn't do it and if I did it was justified" just looks childish.
nobody should do this… the west does, and that’s also shit… right now, this is the event that we’re talking about though and citing the west is just whataboutism
Are we pretending we should give the west a pass on that? Should they be allowed to with a clean conscience?
Is there any evidence that India ordered the assassination?
If there is, it won't be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
But something must be there if the Canadian government is making this statement instead of ignoring it. Sounds like the media was going to push the story anyway, but they got ahead of it.
The USA already said they aren't distancing themselves from it and working with Canada with this.
We will see how things turn out, but things are pointing to more than likely India did something. Especially with the swarm of comments/bots pulling the whole "well he deserved it" and "hypocrites" all over.
Yeah, Canada and its closest allies (US, UK, etc.) have absolutely every reason to not want to stir the pot with India, considering India is considered critical in countering China in Asia. It'd be insane to pull a stunt like this unless they actually have damning evidence. I guess we'll all see what comes of this with time, but I'm strongly inclined to believe Canada for now.
That and India's response has basically been bald-faced whataboutism and "bUt He WaS a TeRrOriSt". Doesn't exactly endear me to believing India had nothing to do with this.
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