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Based on current deployment rates, it is likely that solar will surpass wind as the third-largest source of electricity. And solar may soon topple coal in the number two spot.

Looking ahead, through July 2028, FERC expects no new coal capacity to come online based on its “high probability additions” forecast. Meanwhile 63 coal plants are expected to be retired, subtracting 25 GW from the 198 GW total, and landing at about 173 GW of coal capacity by 2028. Meanwhile, FERC forecasts 92.6 GW of “high probability additions” solar will come online through July 2028.

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[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

They knew what they were doing with that title.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 110 points 1 week ago

I've already passed wind in 2025.

[-] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

Would that be considered breaking news?

[-] Godnroc@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

No, but it is breaking wind.

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[-] Hux@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Username checks out.

[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Will pass wind"

Haha

Cool

[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago

Yeah haha I came here to laugh too. And leave coal sounds funny too

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

my dylexic brain read it as "US soldier will pass wind in 2025 and leaves coal dust soon after.."

holycrap wtf did they feed them as part of military experiment or wtf is going on???

[-] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago

Even with an admin as renewable-hostile as the current one, you just can’t beat cheap, I guess.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's been the joke of Solar for a while. Engineers could have told you all the way back in the 1970s (really, the 1910s) that it costs less money to leave a big plate out in the bright sun than to drill a giant hole and hope there's enough spicy rocks at the bottom of it to justify the expense.

We should have crested this hill a lot sooner, but the heavy emphasis on subsidized fossil fuels during the 80s, 90s, and 00s kept these fuels artificially cheap. Meanwhile, fossil fuel firms actually did invest in Green Energy R&D but only for the purpose of erecting "patent thickets" that would hinder competitive growth of these alternatives.

This “patent thicket” can create barriers to innovative low-carbon technologies, particularly in markets requiring expensive licensing fees or with complex patent litigation (Cannuscio 2008). A strengthened IPRP can increase market concentration and reduce competition (Liu et al. 2018), with large corporations able to maintain market control in such environments through patents on key technologies. This control not only restricts the entry of emerging low-carbon technologies into the market but also perpetuates the reliance on existing high-carbon technologies.

This has lead to big surges in the development and deployment of Green Energy grids outside of the countries doing most of the cutting edge research. Americans are only now catching up.

[-] whereyaaat@lemmings.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is why I have no problem [REDACTED] members of the ruling class.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

It's [REDACTED] or be [REDACTED] out there

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[-] prole 3 points 1 week ago

The current regime could not less about cost. They will probably stamp this out.

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

Hell. In Florida, FPL is the electric provider, and they are fighting tooth and nail to keep people from installing solar on houses.... In Florida, we would have almost free electric for everyone if all houses could install panels....

But FPL lobbied our GOP legislature and force anyone with solar to have a million dollar insurance policy payable to FPL in case something happens. Also got regulations passed to bar home windstorm insurance if any panels are bolted to the roof. So if you have panels, no hurricane insurance for you....and the mortgage holder gets to put their expensive policy on your home.

Fuck FPL

[-] Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

Yes, FPL has done a lot to prevent rooftop solar, but calling it "almost free" is not correct. Rooftop solar still comes with significant upfront costs. The weather of Florida degrades panels quicker with non-trivial odds of hurricane damage. Finally, Southwestern states receive much more solar irradiance.

If you are willing to be pragmatic and want solar in Florida, FPL's solar together program is your best option. Like it or not, utility grade solar is 1/3 the LCOE.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

To be fair, Florida building codes are pretty much static electricity holding cardboard together.

[-] Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Florida has some of the strictest building codes in the United States due to the hurricane and flooding risks.

May I ask the source of your comment?

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

My father ran a small construction company in Ontario, he was asked to manage building a few house for a client in Florida and at the time, the codes were a complete joke compared to Canada, closer to what we grade as seasonal cottages. This likely had recently changed, only because people can't even get storm insurance any more. Then there's the 5,400 trailer parks in Florida. Ontario has 14, seasonal use only.

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago
[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

Would have been better as "blow past wind" to match the sentiment of the "coal in the dust" joke.

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Had to read it twice to understand what they WANTED to say

[-] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Solar may pass wind, but gas and burning gas are actual stinking farts.

[-] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Assuming Dear Leader Trump (and I hate calling him that even as a joke) don't stamp it out, of course.

[-] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I also always call him Dear Leader. We can't normalize these behaviors from a president, and using the "Dear Leader" title makes it unambiguously clear that his selfish actions are not presidential.

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[-] frezik 17 points 1 week ago

That's actually a problem.

All realistic plans for 100% renewable (or even 95% renewable, which is substantially easier) rely on a multipronged approach of wind, water, solar, and grid upgrades. Each one has upsides and downsides, but you can use the upsides of one to cover the downsides of another. Combined, you get a reliable grid based on intermittent but cheap sources.

Capitalism sees this plan and decides to deploy the one with the best immediate ROI. Which happens to be solar. Problem is that you can't just rely on solar. The grid is hitting limits where electrical production is sending prices to basically zero at certain times, but not able to provide enough the rest of the time. That will shift the economic incentives. Eventually.

It'll figure out what researchers have already written down, but it'll take too long to get there.

[-] Fairgreen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago
[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Batteries are nice, but they're insanely expensive at this scale and ruin the entire point of helping the environment. Carbon emissions from huge batteries are unbelievable.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

What batteries exactly? The capacity required is huge.

[-] axexrx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

They can be distributed though. I Install solar, most of the systems we install with batteries end up selling back a significant portion of their charge to the grid (iirc our system wide average is 40% nightly resale)

So not only is each house with a battery not using grid power at night, its powering almost half of an equivalently sized house.

Granted, batteries are still on the expensive side, so these systems aren't coming enough ( I think we're at ~10% of our systems have a battery)

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[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

SoCal has a huge amount of wind and solar right now. Utility sized battery installations are going in to deal with the times those two aren't producing.

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Even home battery solutions. We have solar panels & a Powerwall. Were part of a Virtual Power Plant along with around 1500 other Powerwall owners in the region. During peak usage in the summer all our PowerWalls feed back to the grid so that our utility provider doesn’t have to spin up expensive (and dirty) peaker plants. We get paid a premium for the power we provide during these events.

I saw articles here on Lemmy just a month or two ago that Tesla successfully tested a VPP in California that consisted of 100,000 PowerWalls.

The ones they've installed near us are Siemens and the only reason we even know they exist is we went by often during installation. The cabinets are now hidden behind a high wall. I'm guessing they're going in all over the place. Strange that I've never seen them mentioned in the news anywhere.

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[-] jaykrown@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Sodium-ion batteries are becoming more viable, which will be necessary to buffer the solar energy surge during the day and lack of energy production at night.

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[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

You guys still burning coal? We dumped that ages ago.

[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

See, you can build coal plants in poor/black areas, so you don't have to see the pollution, nor your kids have to get cancer like those silly poors. And then you don't have to put up with woke shit like windmills. Sigh.

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[-] Sunschein@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

Another example of Big Media always twisting the narrative! They didn't "pass wind," they FARTED! Stop diverting the blame!

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[-] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Preznit Numbnuts will be sure to start closing wind farms then, forcing us all back into using coal so he can slurp up lobby $$

[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Lol they've already announced funding (or intent to fund?) for reviving coal mining

[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

The Republicans. They yearn for the mines.

[-] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Heh heh. Heh heh.

[-] jmsy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

A recent article about the state of the coal industry in the usa....

Fossil Fuels and Fossilized Minds - Paul Krugman https://share.google/9gGFCB2MFShNzGJrp

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