Revolutionaries don't say that anything less than revolution is worthless, we just point out how electoralism cannot solve the fundamental problems of capitalist society. We also don't say that revolution fixes everything overnight, it merely allows us to start building and developing socialism, with all of the difficulties and new problems we face when that happens. We also don't baselessly say revolution is coming any minute or anything, just that as capitalism decays it grows more and more likely, which is reflected in crisis and more violent reaction, like we are seeing with the Trump admin.

If anyone wants to develop a better understanding of Marxism-Leninism, I made an introductory reading list, feel free to check it out! Even the first 2 works listed will give you a much better understanding of our positions.

we don't "wait" for a revolution nor do we expect it to magically fix anything.

but i guess it's easier to be ignorant than to at least learn what leftism even is.

The world is ~~sinful~~ anti-democratic backsliding but we just have to wait until the ~~Second Coming~~ the Election happens when everything will be magically fixed. Any attempt to make actual progress makes you a ~~lukewarm Christian~~ tankie anything less than ~~the Apocolypse~~ the Election (which is definitely fair and free and democratic full of extremely popular and nice politicians) is completely useless. Also consuming certian media or makin certain lifesytle choices is ~~sinful and unchristian~~ makes you a tankie or a rebellious ineffective anarchist or a secret conservative.

This is besides the point, but in what way is a "lukewarm Christian' someone who actually makes progress? I've only ever heard the term be used in the opposite way.

This is literally just almost every terminally online ML lol

I consider myself libertarian, but unlike others, I think my political ideal would be terrible to implement overnight. I see libertarianism more as a direction than an end goal, and we should evaluate how far down that path we want to go.

I'm also Christian and don't believe in Rapture. Instead, I think that if Christ's second coming is literal (don't want to get into a theological debate), any changes will be a process. People won't evaporate or whatever, instead they'll be spared in some form from the wider unrest that will end up destroying the "sinners" or whatever. Things just don't happen all at once like that.

I guess for my personal ideal, the closest would be everyone all of a sudden deciding that their rights are important and worth fighting for?

Especially over the past few years, this viewpoint seems to dominate over so many leftist spaces, and I believe it's part of what led to Trump winning the election. I don't particularly like the Democrats either, but so many refuse to vote for anything other than an impossible overnight jump to socialism.

You forgot to mention both have accelerationists willing to make people's lives worse to hasten the ~~Rapture~~ Revolution.

This may be the worst take I've ever heard tbh

Straw man level 1000

"and if you don't live by MY interpretation of some dead guy's beliefs, you are wrong and are worse than the enemy*