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[-] hydration9806@lemmy.ml 157 points 1 year ago

Crazy idea: pay them both more so the public doesn't have to

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago

The public is going to pay them regardless. The money for wages has to come from what customer's spend. Being said, I agree with you wholeheartedly because tipping is a leverage point that enables a lot of racism, sexism and sexual harassment.

[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the lost nuance is that the previous guy means that with tips, the public pays for tips directly.

You're technically correct, the public, by buying food and service, is paying the company, creating a pool of money from which the costs of business are to be paid, ideally including staff in full. And currently, wait staff has to be paid by the customer directly.

(This mostly holds for most of the US, in many places, it does work according to the more ideal model)

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This should really be the norm.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Tip culture was developed so the restaurant owner didn’t have to pay (mostly black) waiters as much.

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[-] sobriquet@aussie.zone 8 points 1 year ago

In some countries, it is!

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately most wait staff do not want to work for just hourly, it's been tried a lot and almost always places have major issues with getting waiters. The majority of them like the tipping system.

[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Sounds to me like either ignorance or Stockholm syndrome.

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 117 points 1 year ago

Abolish tipping. Living wages for all, no exceptions.

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[-] Decoy321@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago

There's a separate level of unfairness here:

Right side is making $16-$25 per hour.

Left side has an hourly rate that's almost always less than minimum wage. This is allowed because of the assumed tip income.

[-] hockeyboss77@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Depends on what state you live in. For example, CA requires wait staff to be paid at least minimum wage. Also, many cooks are also receiving minimum wage.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

All wait staff have to be paid minimum wage, it's a federal law. If they don't make minimum wage in tips, then the employer has to make up the difference.

[-] Mudkipology@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Which is a massive pain in the ass to actually track and prove, and employees who do it don't tend to stick around for long. Especially if you (like me) live in an at-will employment state where no reason for dismissal is required.

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Plus, waiters have to deal with client bullshit directly.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Plenty of low paying jobs make you deal with clients and not receive tip.

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[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Left side has an hourly rate that’s almost always less than minimum wage. This is allowed because of the assumed tip income.

This part depends on the state, thankfully. Seems phased out on most of the West coast, to my knowledge. I know it's still pretty widespread in the south.

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[-] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Here in Ontario everyone has to be paid minimum wage but, tips are still very expected. Kinda bugs me since they prob make more than I do lol

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[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

And depending on where you are left side has to pay a portion of their tip to the kitchen and runners as well.

[-] CarlCook@feddit.de 50 points 1 year ago

Is this a USA-thing? In Europe tips are most usually split between front and back of the house.

[-] fullstopslash@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

In the USA there is a "minimum" wage, and a tip wage. The tip wage means your employer pays you $2.17/hr and you make nearly all of your income from the kindness of strangers. It's mindnumbinly aweful.

[-] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago

To be clear, if you don't make enough in tips to reach minimum wage, your employer pays the difference

[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Some places do pool a percentage of tips and pay them out to the kitchen and/or bar. Usually kitchen is paid more than waitstaff, and waitstaff is also likely to be cut if it’s slow, so may get less hours. Some states allow employers to pay tip based workers below minimum wage.

[-] meekah@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The fact that there are laws about "tip based workers" is insane to me.

[-] somethingp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Also to clarify, the rationale for tip based workers having a lower default minimum wage is that if they do not come up to the regular minimum wage with their tips+salary, then employer has to make up the difference. But usually they end up making more than minimum wage with the tips.

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[-] Trarmp@feddit.nl 35 points 1 year ago

CTRL F "union"
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>:-(

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[-] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

I see the corollary to this as the actual injustice, i.e. “the dish was bad so you get a low tip”, because the server can’t control the quality of the cooking and yet depends on the tip, whereas the cook actually gets a full wage no matter what.

[-] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago

I see the injustice there as the employer not paying the server enough.

[-] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Well you’re 100% correct that that’s the injustice that we actually ought to do something about.

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[-] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

I’m starting this off with I hate tipping culture, but it’s required as an American, so I tip based on the service I receive from the server, not the food I eat. I rationally know they don’t control that. I assume most people do this, except OP who apparently tips waiters based on the food quality for some reason.

[-] LegionEris@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'll give good tips for good service of mediocre food. The Alamo has some of the hardest working servers in the industry. I don't care how good or bad the food is (usually good, but the overall amazing buffalo cauliflower can be inconsistent) if you crawl on the floor to give me my bill without blocking the movie for the person next to me, you get a good tip.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Every reputable place I ever served at had front of house tip out the service staff.

Can we leave these shit memes by people who've never worked in the food industry (but get butthurt social conventions suggest you tip) and the resulting awful cavalcade of tired, predictable responses back on reddit?

[-] pec@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

That's your experience.

I have worked in very reputable places and none of that tip would reach the cooks. If we were lucky they would pay us a beer at the club later. I think it's regional though. I know in Quebec waiters won't share because the government assume they get 15% tip from everything bill and taxes them accordingly.

[-] Barndog53@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Doesn't sound very reputable. Sounds like a Buffalo Wild Wings.

I've been in the restaurant industry for over 15 years and the least I ever had to tip out to the kitchen was 2.5%. Never, did they not get tipped out.

Also, I'm not complaining, I love the back of house, but don't spread bullshit cause you had a bad go

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[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, well you should get paid properly or something.

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[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Real "the system can't be bad, I've had nothing but good interaction with cops" energy.

Tipping as an institution is an outright scam with a rich history of systematic racism.

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[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago

I don't get this meme. The phone has a back light and the book doesn't.

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[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The jobs we tip and the jobs we don't really don't make a whole lot of sense, honestly.

Fifteen years ago, working master control at a small local television station, someone called in just furious that a baseball game their TV schedule said would be on was not on. It was a TV station, ads paid the bills, but the person felt really entitled to baseball over free over-the-air television. This wasn't the only time this happened, but this has always been the one I've remembered most vividly, because the guy was just so angry, like he'd had his whole day planned around this.

I remember thinking about tipping jobs at the time, and how I was earning federal minimum wage to do this relatively skilled job (edit: not saying waiting/chefing are unskilled), and people were harassing me because the wrong thing was on the TV. With all due respect, I was master control, I literally had the finalized schedule in front of me. Nobody was tipping me when the thing they wanted on TV was on. I mean, I didn't expect it since ads paid for everything, but the entitlement of some people for something they essentially didn't pay for was so weird to me, and made me think of the disparity.

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Tipping is stupid. Abolish it and charge what the service costs.

[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

The restraunt my friends used to work at did tip pooling. The workers made sure the cooks and the hosts got paid what their work was worth and would work with servers whose sections were underperforming to see what they could do to close the gap. The cook friend I had in that group had dreams of being a chef and opening a restaraunt as a co-op

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Correction: Left guy is the boss because most food service companies will (usually illegally) skim tips. Tipping culture is fucking awful.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

Hm. I see what this is pointing at, but I find it odd that the guy in the shade has a phone, not a paper book. He doesn't need the light to begin with.

[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Cooking is long hours for low pay doing something you love. Serving is whoring yourself out for money. If the money isn't there I won't whore myself out but i can fall back on cooking at any time and it's hard thankless work, but we love it...

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Fuck off, loving your job doesn't mean you should be paid less for it.

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