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[-] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 4 points 5 days ago

Considering that the two projects funded by Cloudflare are headed by known bigots (Andreas Kling and DHH), it makes me distrust Cloudflare even further.

[-] aliteral@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Can you elaborate on why they are bigots? Im interested.

[-] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 3 points 5 days ago

Both developers have been actively hostile to DEI initiatives, and at least on the case of DHH, also coddling with ultranationalism viewpoints.

On Kling: hyperborea.org/reviews/softwar…

On DHH: tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-c…

[-] aliteral@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

How can there be so many pieces of shit working in tech? It baffles me. The space were everything is in constant motion and "innovation" has this sorts of people being vocal about their fascism.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 days ago

Easy money, easy power, easy delusions of grandeur I'm guessing. Pick any two of three.

[-] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 4 points 6 days ago

As the top comment on the Hacker News thread notes,

Cloudflare clearly wants to move us to a future where only approved browsers are allowed to access the web... an independent open source web browser is obviously against that ethos.

I'm suspicious on that basis alone.

[-] arsCynic@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm hyped as long as Ladybird supports uBlock Origin; hoping it's technically feasible.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

When it incorporates something like TreeStyleTab, I'll look into it, horizontal tab bars are just silly - most have widescreen displays and content is usually in narrow columns.

[-] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Really hoping this project goes well and has a strong start.

[-] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

I'm out of the loop, I thought cloud flair was a good company

[-] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 72 points 1 week ago

Cloudflare has announced its sponsorship of the Ladybird browser, an independent (still-in-development) open-source initiative

Is it still independent?

[-] shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 1 week ago

Yes, and their donations are limited to 100k a year per corporation/organization, so there cant be a company who comes, donates 20million and then tries to gain control of them through money

[-] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 1 week ago

Yes, it is still independent. Cloudflare is just one of the three Platinum sponsors. Other two are Shopify and FUTO. Proton is also a sponsor, but in Gold tier, iirc.

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[-] Sina@beehaw.org 14 points 1 week ago

I think It's on their charter that no matter how much corporate money they'll get they'll never accept any outside influence just the same. The donators are amply warned to not expect anything other than development as usual or faster.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 week ago

This is very encouraging:

Ladybird uses a new browser engine called LibWeb that is being created from scratch by the development team.

Browsers that rely on Chromium / Blink rely on Google. Firefox relies on Google for its funding, so any browser based on Gecko relies on Google. If they can make a browser engine that has rough feature parity with Chromium but doesn''t rely on Google that's very healthy for the web.

[-] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

You do know the difference of "built by" and "partly funded by", right?

What exactly is your problem by Mozilla/Firefox being partly funded by Google?

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[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 week ago

Ironically, we already had that - Microsoft's first version of Edge was using their own engine. On release, it had the highest W3C compatibility score.

Google started shitting on it (including things like serving clear HTML version of Gmail because "the browser is outdated" if it detected the Edge user agent) and massive self-delusion campaigns of "Edge is just Internet Explorer" eventually killed the thing and forced MS to switch to Chromium.

I have Ladybird installed and I check it out every now and then, but I honestly doubt that a bunch of random developers will succeed where Microsoft failed. Unless Cloudflare somehow chips in and forces Google's hand into compatibility, but I don't know if even they are big enough to do that.

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[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago

challenge the status quo by partnering with the status quo...

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

ladybird browser coming up with status quo integration so they challenge status quo.

it's like these browser devs have no idea what people actually want in a browser.

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[-] thelittleerik@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

You are not much challenging the status quo by partnering up with the NSA.

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[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Challenge the status quo in a Snowpiercer fashion.

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