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Radosław Sikorski upbraids Moscow for being “incapable of living in peace” with its neighbors following a series of incursions into NATO airspace.

Russia shouldn't complain at the United Nations if its missiles or aircraft are shot down after entering NATO airspace, Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski warned Moscow on Monday.

Sikorski was speaking at an emergency session of the U.N. Security Council in New York. The summit was convened after three Russian military jets entered Estonian airspace for 12 minutes on Sept. 19 before being repelled by Italian F-35s representing NATO.

"I have only one request to the Russian government: If another missile or aircraft enters our space without permission, deliberately or by mistake, and gets shot down and the wreckage falls on NATO territory, please don't come here to whine about it," Sikorski said. "You have been warned."

Not to be outdone, Sikorski sent a further barb Moscow's way in New York: "We know you don't care for international law, and you are incapable of living in peace with your neighbors. Your insane nationalism contains a lust for domination that will not cease until you realize that the age of empires is over and that your empire will not be rebuilt."

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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 84 points 1 month ago

Less talk and more action please.

NATO member Turkey shot down a Russian jet some years ago, and the planet didn’t perish in a nuclear war, so we know we can do that.

[-] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 month ago

Fairly sure it will happen. Balts and Poland are fed up enough.

Sikorsky is also known for not throwing words around.

Just a reminder Turkey shot down the nazi jet after

  1. Issuing an official note to the fascists that they will shoot it down

  2. russkies entering their airspace multiple times before.

  3. warning the pilot multiple times before it entered their airspace.

The decision to shoot it down did not come out of the blue.

[-] hector@lemmy.today 68 points 1 month ago

That really goes without saying. Turkey shut down a Russian jet that was fucking around. That is the only way they will learn. They are jetting around like they are the baddest mother fuckers in the air while their equipment is pretty lame.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago

The Russians claimed they have not been over NATO territory. If they come again, shoot them down and look where they land. Case closed.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 month ago

The Russians claimed they have not been over NATO territory.

Only because they believe it should be their territory.

[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Debris from plains that are shot down don't land directly below where they were shot down.

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[-] Siegehammer85@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago

More words, to be followed by more incursions without action. We should have started shooting down Russian air-junk right from the first invasion in 2014. Historians will not be kind about floppy dicked Europe/NATO after it’s too late….

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

Nah, Poland is the one nation in Europe that's itching for a fight with Moscow. They've just been holding back.

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

They're ready to send troops to the frontlines of Ukraine last I heard.

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[-] makyo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I am also sick of the inaction. I hope they are a real warning and not more words.

I really like this line though and I will be repeating it to anyone who is listening, "incapable of living in peace".

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 month ago

Good for Poland. I'm tired of these Putinganda-fuckers "accidently" sending incursions into their neighbours' territories

[-] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

I have this sneaking suspicion that this response might be in the Russian "plan". I have a feeling that the goal is to show that America won't lift a finger to stop them, and thereby break NATO and badly damage US power. If Poland downs a Russian jet, and Trump says "Hey! You guys have to be nice to Russia" it will read as Russia calling NATO's bluff while maintaining just enough plausible deniability to likely avoid even European countries from pushing for a real response.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

brought to you by the same master planners that thought they'd take Ukraine in a month

[-] saimen@feddit.org 25 points 1 month ago

You mean 3 days

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[-] Goldholz 31 points 1 month ago

I kinda expected ww3 would be started by China instead of russian idiocracy

[-] Cheems@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

I assumed the USA would do something monumentally stupid.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

This is a given. The only question is where? Venezuela? Russia? Strait of Taiwan? West Philippines sea? Greenland? Iran? North Korea? California? There's really no telling where they'll take out their dick and start helicoptering it.

[-] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

We're busy invading ourselves at the moment, give us some time.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why? China's not operating an expansionist military. Who would they even start it with?

Russia's been feuding with its neighbors over it's western border for... centuries.

[-] discount_door_garlic@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Well firstly Tibet would probably disagree, but perhaps Taiwan, the USA, anybody in the South China Sea, on the Indian border...

China's rhetoric has been very clear for decades, further expansion is going to be pursued. Whether that's semi-peaceful like cracking down on Hong Kong, or direct invasion - it's a question of 'when', not 'if'.

Hopefully no impending major conflicts could provide them a helpful smokescreen to make moves under, while potential adversaries are tied-up and unable to project power...

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[-] rustyfish@piefed.world 31 points 1 month ago

I wonder how the vatniks will twist this into NATO being the bad guys again.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

I can see it now "more nato aggression! Of course russia needed to defend itself by invading a sovereign country!"

[-] Goldholz 7 points 1 month ago

"What was russia doing in NATO airspace?" "They just got lost! Jesus! Cant you take a joke?"

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

NATO's only function has been to asset the US's military dominance in Europe.
As a result, the EU is much less militarily prepared now than it was before because of over-reliance on the US... which has now turned its back on the EU.
So yeah, NATO has always been the bad guys (and the same goes for Russia under Putin).

Geopolitics is not black-and-white.

[-] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 month ago

Geopolitics is not black-and-white.

NATO has always been the bad guys

Okay buddy baka.

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

So who are to good guys? Lmao

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[-] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 month ago

If it's one thing the dicktasters... I mean dictators... of today do a lot of at a regular basis, it's whine. It's the mark of a little man. Pathetic.

[-] monogram@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hey! We dicktasters don't like being associated with authoritarians

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago

Vlad. Vlad. Don't be bad. Putin. Putin. Stop that shootin'.

[-] teft@piefed.social 24 points 1 month ago

Fyi Vlad isn’t the diminutive of Vladimir. Vladimir is “shortened” to Vova or Volodya. Vlad is short for Vladislov.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, makes at least as much sense as James being shortened to Jim

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

And Richard is obviously Dick

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago
[-] teft@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Margaret as Peggy always blew my mind. Or Elizabeth as Buffy.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well that's swell and all, but you can't say that not do it. You can't make that kind of bluff to a bully like Russia and not back it up. Cuz if you do back down that's just emboldening the bully. They will view it as weakness and an invitation to go further. If they don't shoot down the next plane that crosses their border Russia will escalate significantly.

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