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For over a century, the automobile has represented freedom, power, and the thrill of mechanical mastery. The connection between driver, machine, and road defined what it meant to own and love a car. But in today’s digital era, a different trend is unfolding. Cars are no longer just machines designed to take us from point A to point B. Increasingly, they resemble something else entirely: smartphones on wheels.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 89 points 2 weeks ago

It's nothing less than a war against property rights.

They are pushing software into cars because they see copyright, and more specifically the DMCA anti-circumvention clause, as an excuse to retain their control over your property after they sell it to you. Rentiership is 100% of their goal, and providing useful functionality is nothing but an afterthought at best.

"Subscriptions" to hardware you already own is entirely FRAUD and executives of companies that engage in it deserve long prison sentences.

[-] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago
[-] HertzDentalBar 11 points 2 weeks ago

we always flip off the John Deere plant as we drive by. Family tradition.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 56 points 2 weeks ago

Imagine a car without cellular connectivity

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 weeks ago

You mean, like the car that I drive currently? It’s pretty tough to picture, honestly.

[-] BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Archive link to an FAQ for the Slate electric trucklette that claims no sim cards and minimum digital bits. No clue if it will be a good vehicle so don't take this as an endorsement. https://archive.ph/PMKpC

Anyone know other options?

[-] prole 9 points 2 weeks ago

Fucking sim cards in cars. I hate everything.

[-] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 7 points 2 weeks ago

Suzuki Jimny, still comes in a very basic electrical system

[-] DaGeek247@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago

Find a car that fits your needs and then pull the fuse powering the sim card before it leaves the lot. If it breaks, put the fuse back and don't buy it.

My 2019 corolla lost the right speaker and mic access when I did that. I fixed the right speaker by crossing some wires, and the mic hasn't really been needed enough for me to dig deeper to fix it.

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[-] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Some of these comments are the most elitist, contrarian bullshit I've ever heard.

This article is about the positives and negatives of car connectivity, not how cool you are because you choose to ride a bike. You're so cool because instead of choosing to not connect your phone to your car, you bought a rusty 07 Camry?

I'm not the biggest fan of the choices these companies are making either, but if your 1997 Mazda 929 is a personality trait, it's not much different from the ding dong who bought the Ram 3500 to showcase his peanut balls.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Personally I think it is cool to not give money to anti-consumer companies, which I assume all car companies have become by now if they all have computers. Certainly they cannot forever resist the temptation to use the power they have over users when they control the software running on our hardware.

[-] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I don't disagree with either of your points. However, I'm not edgy because I refuse to shop at Target. I'm saying these comments are a bit smug.

[-] lolola 6 points 2 weeks ago

You’re so cool because instead of choosing to not connect your phone to your car, you bought a rusty 07 Camry?

Yes.

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[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, and car manufacturers are becoming SaaS vendors

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes it’s why China was able to leapfrog and become a EV manufacturing giant. They were never able to compete in the traditional ICE vehicle market with the Europeans, Japanese and Americans. Since building an internal combustion engine that complies with the regulation, is fuel efficient and fast is really difficult for them since they lack the century of experience that the other manufacturers have. An electric engine is much less complex and since China has decades of experience building batteries, electronics and software, because they make the smartphones for almost every smartphone brand in the world, they were able to set up shop and catch up to foreign competitors very quickly in the EV market.

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Since building an internal combustion engine that complies with the regulation, is fuel efficient and fast is really difficult for them since they lack the century of experience that the other manufacturers have.

My 2c:

You're right they are going to become the EV king, but its not because they lack experience making ICE engines. Chinese vehicles with ICE engines are being sold on the European market and have been sold there for a while now. They weren't able to out compete other manufacturers on the EU market because other brands have been well established and their lower prices were not significant enough. What I mean is: you aren't going to disrupt a well established and saturated market with the same product.

The shift to EV presented an opportunity of equal ground on the EU market, in fact on worldwide markets. Domestic makers were not fast enough to adapt and so Tesla was able to gain a significant portion at the start. Other makers caught up soon but weren't able to offer EV cars for the same prices as they traditionally did ICE cars. Now you have an unsaturated market with highly priced products. Chinese companies can exploit that. They don't even have to disrupt any markets, they just need to enter them. Demand is there, supply is lackluster.

Its also an opportunity for new companies to start up and start picking at the old guard of 50+ year old car manufacturers. This is where you're right. New companies don't need to develop an ICE because its complex and difficult, making an EV is easier. Its just ironic the old car companies weren't able to adapt. Was it their old ways? Bureaucracy? Oil investments? I don't know.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The sad thing is 'smartphone on wheels' is a slur.

Smartphones don't have to be soulless and uniform and enshittified and subscription based and completely inaccessible and straight up anti-consumer/designed to fail, but here we are.


I really hope Slate takes off though (and they make a nimble hatchback for their next chassis). It feels like the antithesis of all this.

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[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Cars have been giant ~~smartphones~~ {tracking and data collection gold mines} for years now

[-] gilokee@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

aand this is why I won't buy a car made after 2010.

[-] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 14 points 2 weeks ago

2016 is still a good year as most of the connected tech isn't supported anymore as it's on the 3g network.

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[-] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

IMO cars peaked around 2015

Interiors looked really nice and you had analog dials etc. Wish some small screens, just enough.

Today it's just big plastic dashboard with cheap tablets stuck in them

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[-] magic_smoke 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Eh, my early 9th gen civic is nice, though I think they ruined it only like coupla years later with cell radios.

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[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't currently drive since I live in a city with great public transit but if i was forced to get a car it wouldn't be made after 2006. I like buttons and don't want to spend $400 replacing my rear view mirror because its linked to my touch screen for no damn reason

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[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Sadly yes and they’re mainly taking the worst aspects. Normal built in features like heated seats as subscriptions, dropping smartphone integration for their own far inferior dogshit UI and features, and so on.

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[-] melfie@lemy.lol 15 points 2 weeks ago

If the state of open source phones are anything to judge by, we will have open source cars at some point, except the foot brake isn’t working yet, so you’ll have to use the hand brake for now. Cars and phones both take a lot of resources to develop, and maybe you’ll be able to “de-Stellantis” your car at some point instead of going fully open source, but judging by the recent steps Google has taken to weaken de-Googling, I’m not sure how long that would last either.

[-] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 weeks ago

Ads between gear changes in 3…2…1…

[-] elvith@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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[-] twice_hatch@midwest.social 13 points 2 weeks ago

They've been. Demand your privacy back

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If they are, would that make old cars giant feature phones on wheels?

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[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

My radio doesn't even have a screen 😅

The only computer in my car is the radio, and that stays off most of the time. I'm honestly thrilled to not have so much tech in the car. Its nice to be able to fix nearly anything with some pliers, a multi-meter, and an adjustable spanner.

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[-] shirro@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Software enables new revenue streams. Manufacturers can lock out features and force people to pay subscriptions. The industry wants to normalize that so they get bigger margins and a source of revenue that extends long after the initial sale. Motor vehicle as a service.

I like controls that don't distract from driving. Computers without any internet connection aren't a problem. I don't mind all the buttons and switches being connected to a micro-controller. It saves a lot of wiring and complexity. While I don't like screens I can see how they are useful for some people. Ideally you can use a vehicle offline and with the screens off.

[-] Nomad@infosec.pub 7 points 2 weeks ago

It has wheels so the computer doesn't touch the ground you know.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago

What becoming?

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

Shit headline. "No" is the answer. Let'smoved on.

[-] prole 6 points 2 weeks ago

Bill Burr calls it "driving an iPad"

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

Combining two of the things I most hate. Makes sense.

[-] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

My car is basically an accessory that turns my phone into a car, yes.

[-] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 5 points 2 weeks ago
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