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It’s just a regular murder. Not even remotely as horrific as the KIDS that got shot in Colorado on that same day.
100%.
The Colorado even is far far more important than some hate spewing trash catching lead feelings.
not even as bad as assasinating the senators.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
When was the last "regular murder" of this kind—against a political figure of such prominence? Say all you want about their bigotry, I agree, but that is currently mainstream politics. Like it or not, the kids were not prominent, and lives that are not prominent get buried despite their status as preventable horror.
You can’t murder a Nazi. It’s just putting them down.
Dehumanization does nothing but feed into the bad faith right wing's smearing of progressivism as a whole. Even uprisings need to consider opponents as capable of thought and assume more than constant misery. Just using different words is not going to change reality for the better, especially if said words are misleading. This is the kind of rhetoric that can be used to justify them shooting us. It's just more excuses for Trump to create a police state.
I understand what you’re saying but Trump just canceled his trip to Chicago so, I’d say you are proven wrong. The more this happens the more they fear, And since it is them getting hurt – I don’t see any problem here. You sound quite like a conservative, protecting conservatives. You should be ashamed of yourself
Assuming that's what you're talking about, Trump already talked about announcing sending the National Guard to Memphis instead of Chicago the night before the shooting; see https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-national-guard-deployment-in-question-ice-immigration-crackdown/.
The threat of a police state and arbitrary removal is enough for progressive activists to defend against already; encouraging possible grassroots 4chan snipers on every building is not going to help. Furthermore, this shooting has allowed the Trump administration to prominently represent those like you with "If you read this, you are gay LMAO". (I am bi and I absolutely do not intend to say LGBTQ+ representation is bad for the movement; I am saying that this representation of us as closed-minded childish trolls encourages the right to make statements like those the Zeteo article is criticizing and act on them to "preserve national order".)
We're under the whims of the state. We don't have an uprising. Until then, we should preserve the parts of the state that actually protect us as the only defense against the tools of oppression. If you want to debate people no matter how good or bad your arguments are without getting shot, you should have a problem with this, because the existence of the state precludes chipping away MAGA figureheads' bunkers without having the same done to progressive figures. Having to see bad arguments reach people all day is much better than those people pointing a gun at you.
I think this thread represents other aspects of my views here well:
I don’t agree. We need more 4chan Nazis popping people who aren’t “right wing” enough. The problem solves itself. I’m firm I’m my opinion.
chances are they'll pop progressives instead. the charlottesville rally was called "unite the right", after all
But they haven’t. So…
the classic example is charlottesville
a more recent one is the shootings of Minnesota State Legislators
I’m still firm. Enough is enough already. Let’s get the shit done with. I will forever be firm on this
Like 2 months ago in Minnesota.
Right? They totally forgot about them because they just wanna be mad at something. They don’t fucking care lol
The two state lawmakers were as prominent as Charlie Kirk?
No you're right that's insane. Two elected officials are obviously way more prominent than a YouTube personality.
I didn't hear about them before they died. And Turning Point is pretty much the MAGA youth league. Dismissing the US's most influential MAGA voices as just "a YouTube personality" is not doing anything any favor.
Just because he was prominent in your life doesn't mean he was to others. I've had to explain to more than a few people who he was since they'd never heard of him at all.
and they've heard of the minnesotan lawmakers before they died? even if they have, way less people have heard of them compared to hearing of kirk.
What is your goal with these comments you are making?
nothing more than the goals of the other commenters here
I didn't mean to say you or anyone else here has an ulterior motive or something, sorry if it came off that way; I'm saying that just like whiwake is here to discuss things relevant to progressive politics I'm here to discuss things relevant to progressive politics.
It sure seems like you hold his life in greater regard than theirs.
unfortunately, our current hierarchical society does ascribe lower value to them than e.g. Cenk Uygur, founder of The Young Turks. i'm not saying Kirk as nearly as good as Uygur, but they have had a similar impact.
kyle was so stupid, the magats couldnt even use him as a political talking head.
All that money and all he amounted to is a booth babe at a Gun shop in Milton, Florida.
The way I as a leftist want to deal with the Charlie Kirk problem (aka online far right influencers) is via a national online forum. Not shooting people. The problem is that people like Charlie are getting undo influence via various foreign and domestic groups donating to him via Crypto and advertising for him for free, especially to children on video games.
A democracy means everyone gets a say fairly, not that one asshole gets to flood our every commercial and social media feed with his hateful illogic constantly (and there's something to be said here about good faith arguments, freedom of speech, the law, and democracy as well). If his comments were on a classic forum with classic moderation, no vote systems, everyone with one say, he wouldn't be treated like anything special, and he wouldn't be able to interrupt and talk over people either. He'd be like everyone else and his words would have to stand for themselves individually one time, and they are dumb.
But conservatives solve everything with violence because it's their one solution, just like they have the one joke. This is why we shouldn't spank kids, it just teaches them to incorporate violence as a solution or to use violence before actually problem solving. So they project this regressive ideology onto the left, the progressives which means new ideas that address issues and create progress, which then "conveniently" allows them to justify violence- their one solution that they were always going to arrive at anyway.
The Right has more to fear from the Right than the Left. The Left doesn't want to fight. They will if they have to, but they'd much rather avoid it at all costs.
The Right WANTS the fight. They are stoked, armed, and itching for it, and now some have become so obsessed with political purity that they have become idealogically twisted and are starting to "clean up" their own backyards first.
They are projecting. They are accusing the left to be exactly what they themselves are.
Conservatives are self proclaimed domestic terrorists. And they should be handled as such.
I'm worried the center is gonna help 'em. Centrists have always hated the left and always wanted the approval of the right.
Hypocritical Conservatives... journalists don't even bother checking for redundancy
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