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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 85 points 3 weeks ago

Looks more like this dessalines guy is not a reliable source of information.

[-] cm0002@piefed.world 51 points 3 weeks ago

.ml is not a reliable source of information, they routinely allow straight propaganda sources like RT and places like southfront.press or incredibly biased sources like The Grayzone

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

If you want to learn the latest Russian talking points, you can rely on .ml to shovel them to you.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know. He's pretty reliable. Reliably on whatever side benefits Russia.

[-] AAA@feddit.org 6 points 3 weeks ago

He's pretty reliable in being entirely wrong.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

I mean shit, there's some validity to that argument at times.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah they might not technically be lying, but they are really trying their hardest to make themselves look like fucking zionist defenders sometimes.

[-] ShoeThrower@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 weeks ago

What do you mean trying? The amount of ass-kissing they do for Israel is insane and horrific.

[-] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

Balanced by ass-kissing for Hamas. They refuse to call them terrorists despite the UK government designating them thus.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The BBC middle east editor is Rafi Berg. An Israeli ex-IDF spy unit.

And they do zero ass kissing for Hamas that is simply Zionists crying that Hamas gets any airtime.

[-] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago

An important lesson that you can learn from the Gaza bullshit that's going on is that all media has an ideology and cannot ever be trusted to be completely unbiased, especially the ones that present themselves as unbiased.

The truth is always found somewhere in the middle. But sometimes it's really, really far away from some of these propaganda outlets. Often times it's really, really close to a particular news source. Sadly, we can't just say "the BBC is often really-really-close to the truth", therefore they are always really-really-close to the truth. Sometimes, on certain topics, they are just spouting propaganda, and they always will be, because that's their ideological position and what they are posting will always be consistent with that ideological position, not with truth. They can still, as part of the ideological position, post a lot of stuff that is if not exactly the truth, very very close to it. But they can never be trusted to always do that, they will always have an agenda and an ideology.

Consider the source doesn't mean "find something truly unbiased and ignore everything else" it means understand why the source is saying the things they're saying, the way they're saying them, and why they're omitting what they're omitting, and compare that against other sources doing the same things, or different things, based on the understanding that you've developed of their biases, and also to develop further understanding of those biases. Media literacy is critical, especially with how much we're getting bombarded with fake news and how much the rug has been pulled out from beneath legitimate quality journalism. We need to thoroughly consider and understand sources these days. It's not easy, it's also a lot of work. We shouldn't have to do it. But we live in the information age, and information is a battleground, so we must. Those are the skills we need to survive in this world now.

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[-] EldritchFeminity 5 points 3 weeks ago

Especially when it comes to trans issues. They've been running complete lies on that front for like 15 years now.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 45 points 3 weeks ago

Dessaline did not understand the difference between "credible" and "biased". Which is why he often confused between the two.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

BBC is not credible nor unbiased.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Biased? Yes. They're singing the tune of UK government and whoever pay the bill.

Not credible? As in most of the thing they posted is non-factually correct? Highly doubt it.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago

And again, this only pointed BBC being bias in favour of israel.

And again, let's not mixed up "bias" with "credibility".

[-] fort_burp@feddit.nl 11 points 3 weeks ago

bias in favour of israel.

It's much worse than this, the article explains it pretty well. If BBC management decides to inject political spin on the topic of Palestine, why wouldn't they do it on another topic as well? That is why they lose credibility in some people's eyes.

[-] hatorade@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

"Well they omit truths and lie, so they can't be that bad!"

[-] fort_burp@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago

They are biased towards saying things that are untrue, but they are still credible!

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[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

No false reporting by repeating false Israel claims.

[-] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

What about the things they don't post? If they don't post what's really happening in Gaza but post Israel's statements about it that would be factually correct but would you call them a credible source for what's happening in Gaza?

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I will not trust them on israel/palestine conflict, yes, because it's extremely biased in favour of israel, but credibility is about the thing they posted, not on thing they omitted. That's why i said they're biased.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

You cannot just ignore that single topic knowing they are lying about it. Facts are facts. Lies are lies. A genocide is not a small lie to gloss over

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[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

They despise the current government and it shows in their reporting. The BBC are used to getting paid regardless of who is in government, and have been almost overtly right leaning for years now. They're currently headed by a former conservative political candidate. Laura Kuennsberg has had more accusations of bias levied against her than is normal for someone who's job is quite literally to be politically unbiased.

Flick on to BBC News 24 and watch some of their coverage of Charlie Kirk. The final nails are firmly in that coffin.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 weeks ago

Of course it isn't, have you seen the crap they write about Gaza?

Sad to see how they've fallen. They were considered the gold standard of journalism.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

If this was about actual critisism of the BBC and them not living up to actual journalistic standards, then i could agree with this.

But we know its not, its because they disagree with his picture of reality. So a shitty chinese propagabda source with blatantly lower journalistic standards would be seen as a legitimate source, simply for being anti-west or pro China.

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[-] FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 29 points 3 weeks ago

This is probably the least controversial thing dessalines has said.

The average thing the BBC posts may not be outright lies but I wouldn’t go as far as calling them credible.

[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 weeks ago

Are there reasons to criticize the BBC? Yes. For example, their whole Devil's advocate/false balance approach to reporting. Everything has a "matter-of-fact" feel to it that even if what reporting is factually true, it lacks the nuance and complexities of the issue at hand.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

Some people have a lot of trouble existing in an environment unless they are "the ones in charge" who can dictate to everyone what's going on and what's allowed and not. They can just issue orders, and people can obey or suffer the consequences.

People who are trying to lead (and garner respect and support for their decisions and the reasons behind them) just react totally differently and talk to people totally differently than this.

[-] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

They have a lot of bias against migrants and trans people. They have this both-sides-ism where they give opposing sides equal validity even when one is quite loony. The result? Incredible surges in transphobic politics and TERFism and xenophobic rhetoric and the rise of the far right under Nigel Farage. Sometimes foreign news tends to be of a better quality than domestic, but they are plagued with the same issues as other news sources. Funding cuts are something else they deal with as despite their slow move to a nationalist perspective, the Government still questions their purpose, and so they often try to appease those groups.

There's a lot to criticize about the BBC

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Fully factual statement. BBC is a Zionist ran tabloid.

[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 13 points 3 weeks ago

Why do you even get worked up about that statement, you are embarrassing yourself. The BBC laid bare their orientalism by acting as a mouthpiece for Israel troughout the Palestinian genocide, it‘s not an untrue statement. Get a grip.

[-] cm0002@piefed.world 16 points 3 weeks ago
[-] doben@lemmy.wtf 8 points 3 weeks ago

Nice argument.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Do the bit about how authoritarianism is a made up word next!

[-] sobchak@programming.dev 11 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, they're literally state media. They're ok on some subjects, but do have various biases.

[-] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 10 points 3 weeks ago

I thought the purpose of this comm was to shit on tankies like bullies in high school, not to elevate their opinions.

Based take, keep it up

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

News is - and always has been - unreliable. Complex topics condensed to digestible, engaging narratives. Biases both overt and subconscious always creep in, even if it’s a subtle choice of words. Important data, context, and facts are always missed. Opinions find their way in and op-eds further confuse issues.

There is no single source of news that can be trusted and even if you dig deep you can never know how much you really know, how much you really missed, or how compromised you’ve been by all the subtle biases in writing style and coverage.

Take everything you read anywhere with copious amounts of salt and suspicion.

[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

Aussiemandeus

Amazing username or best username?

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[-] kepix@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

yeah, im not defending bbc, or any big mainstream portal owned by a lizardface fuckhat

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Why does it seem like tankies repeat talking points ad verbatim? If I have a penny every time I hear BBC for being biased and unreliable, I would have already retired. What do they think of RT or any Chinese media? I always say that these terminally online tankies are extremely sad people who are only larping as communists to feel a sense of belonging in a group. They're literally just a gang doing things just for the fun of it.

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