Take their give a fuck levels about Charlie Kirk getting shot, and multiply it by their give a fuck level when John Hoffman was shot and left for dead, and when Melissa Hortman and her husband were assassinated.
The product will tell you how seriously to take them on anything.
The fact that so many far right groups from all over the world (Some that have never even fucking heard of the guy before yesterday) are using his death as an excuse to attack everyone else without even knowing who killed him only makes me believe that all of this was on purpose. They were tired of waiting for a martyr to show up so they made one themselves.
we don't even know who the killer is, this could just be another case of conservative on conservative violence
As we are living in a post-factual era the killer will be exactly what the narrative demands, reality will not matter.
On lemmy, it's a conservative, in the right wingosphere it's a transgender. There is enough fake news out already to define whatever narrative you prefer.
Don't downplay that fascist scumbag as a harmless conservative.
European far-right leaders attack ‘hate-mongering left’ after murder of Charlie Kirk.
And the media are giving them a platform.
Disgusting.
More or less disgusting than celebrating the brutal murder of someone whose politics you disagree with?
More.
Lol of course
Unrelated. They’re both disgusting
I'm fine with that
Isn’t this what fascists usually do, besides staging coups and murdering opposition? They are just rushing to push political propaganda with 0 proof of anything by lying and distorting the truth. Their usual MO.
Oh I agree that there’s an “international hate campaign”. It’s just that they’re all a part of it.
Turns out being MAGA doesnt protect you from Nazis.
What do these yahoos mean by "left", I wonder? Bardella is talking about Mélenchon? Geert Wilders about Frans Timmermans or Jimmy Dijk? Wiedel about Ines Schwerdtner? And Abascal about Sanchez? Like, what are you actually talking about you fascist nitwits?
Hah! Hate-mongering Left! Omg!
lol lmao roflcopter zzomg.
And as usual, any accusation is an admission of guilt.
They are all making up stories while we still don't know anything about the hitman. For each and every one off them, I hope that justice is brought upon them and punishes them for their corruption, crimes and disservice to the EU citizens. If we can't have that, then I guess each a bullet to the neck will do fine.
Yall are actually trying to start World War 3
All the right wing politicians mentioned in the article have ties with Putin's regime and it has been exposed one way or another. They are doing a lot more than me to make WW3 happen.
No one deserves to die for speaking their truth.
That said, it isn’t the US left using the military and terrorist tactics to go after anyone who disagrees with Dear Leader
Ideological killings is terrorism
Did you have the impression that I disagree with this?
Yeah, kinda. I guess maybe you can clarify. I'm saying that killing Charlie Kirk was an act of terrorism. I guess my comment only makes sense if the perpetrator was motivated by left wing ideals ie left wing terrorism, but that isn't clear yet.
No one can possibly know if this killing was a terrorist act. No one knows anything about the suspect yet, so far as I know. No one really knows anything except that Charlie Kirk was killed while speaking at an engagement in Utah.
This wasn’t even the most egregious shooting that happened this week. But no one seems interested in talking about the latest high school shooting.
It would be well to stick to facts. Leave speculation out of it.
Yeah that's what I meant by my speculation only making sense in one scenario. Im fine waiting to find out.
If you were fine waiting to find out, it seems you would’ve waited to find out. Why speculate at all if you agree that speculation is inappropriate?
Unless the real goal was to stir up some shit
My actual goal right now is to call people out for celebrating someone's death, just because they don't like that person's opinions. It's heinous, barbaric, immoral, and leads to death of democracy.
I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. —Charlie Kirk, Salt Lake City, 2023
It isn’t celebratory to acknowledge the stone-cold fact that he was a victim of his own position. And that he himself said this was acceptable.
I agree, just because he is dead doesnt mean his words are above criticism.
Charlie Kirk was one of the biggest sources of stochastic terrorism.
So what's your point?
"Stochastic" terrorism is not the same as actual terrorism, if only because you don't actually know that it's stochastic terrorism. Half of the comments on lemmy since ck died could be considered stochastic terrorism. People been saying that it's ok to kill nazis for years, but everyone has a different idea of what a nazi looks like. Just a matter of time until some nut decides someone is a Nazi and kills them. Stochastic terrorism.
When people call themselves Nazis, you don't have to guess.
When people dehumanize others, you don't have to guess.
Acting intolerant loses any tolerance given from others.
It's that simple.
You can always shut up about being a bigot. When you blame minorities for things billionaires are doing, you don't deserve empathy.
Who is calling themself a Nazi?
Who is dehumanizing who? Calling people a Nazi is dehumanizing. Not saying actual Nazis don't deserve it, but the term gets thrown around a lot, and when the message is also that Nazis should be killed, it's stochastic terrorism because somebody might act because of misunderstanding or because they are crazy. Also anyone who is intolerant thinks they aren't, or they justify their intolerance because they perceive their enemies to be intolerant or immoral or evil.
Who are some nazis that should die? Trump? Anyone who voted for him? Anyone who said something homophobic or transphobic? How do YOU identify a nazi?
There are people who see no problem with calling themselves Nazis.
And when you have any of the shit-spewing right-wing grifters, like Kirk, Shapiro, Crowder, Prager, literally getting rich off spreading hate, I feel no need to defend them when they become target of their own fruit.
How else will they be stopped? They feel no remorse when 'others' die. And a LOT of people died, even in the same day as Kirk, yet those people don't give a shit.
Why should I give a shit about such people?
And where do I draw the line? Again: when you start going public with hate against minorities, you are not deserving any tolerance.
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