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[-] InfiniteHench@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

When the rich figured out that our innate tribalism could be weaponized to distract us from their abuse, lawlessness, and greed.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

So it turns out that the Statue of Liberty never represented the opinions of all Americans to begin with

[-] ChetManly@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

I mean they blare "brown man make your life bad" 24/7 on state tv

[-] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Once we stopped needing cheap labor to build the railroads and mine ore and occupy native lands and farm crops and roof houses and paint walls and run the cash register at the gas station. Actually we still need immigrants for some of that in order to sustain the level of growth required to fund our retirement plans and do the jobs that we would rather not do for wages that we would rather not work for. It looks like Republicans are hoping to fuel that growth internally through reproduction among existing citizens (under the theory that kids will work for lower wages), while the democrats want to rely on immigrants. That's my theory anyway.

[-] diptchip@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Whenever hate can be used to divide the masses. We must be divided lest we decide that a system that protects unethically gained wealth is unethical, even if it protects ethically gained wealth.

[-] hungryphrog 21 points 1 day ago

A large majority of 'anti-immigrant' people wouldn't care if say, a French person immigrated into their country. When these people say immigrants, most of the time they mean people of color.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

Yes. It's a polite way of being racist with most. And if they are asked, they say "I can't be racist [so and so] is my friend and they are black" or some dumb shit.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

Oh we've been fighting about this for centuries

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 22 points 1 day ago

The US is not anti immigrant.

There's a few greedy white people with lots of money who bought the media and the elections who are anti-immigrant.

Don't confuse policy with popular sentiment.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

The vast majority of people who lean right are not individually as hateful as youtube and social media and most of the content algorithmically fed to us would have us believe.

Do they say horrible things around each other? Yes, they ramp up the rhetoric and make it seem like they're absolute super-villains at times... but what we really miss in all this is how shallow their values are. They are not complicated people. They go with the popular sentiment but are so comfortable living in a state of cognitive dissonance that they will work all day with a team of black and hispanic coworkers, get along great, consider them true, best friends... then go home and upvote the most racist shit you've ever seen on facebook because it makes them laugh. They simply cannot make comparisons or connections the way the other ~66% of the population does, so they don't see things like hypocrisy or inconsistency. They don't see larger pictures. They don't understand the concept of punching down.

As a group, they are our country's biggest problem, a menace, a scourge upon the Earth who are enabling the worst, most malicious people to engage in plans of oppression we haven't seen in a century.

But as individuals, we could reach almost each of them. They're stupid enough to believe whatever we tell them and we're afraid of them. The math is broken.

We have to get more social, we have to get more confrontational, we have to get less isolated.

I will get some rando lefties screaming at me that they don't want to "compromise with their oppressors" and that's fine. Don't. I'm not making you personally, and if you get that insinuation that I'm telling you personally to do something traumatic, you're part of the problem. For everyone else, I've changed the hearts of people with apparently "set in" bigotry simply by listening and talking to them. It's not jedi mind magic, it's just a skill that comes from engaging with people in real life.

[-] caltex777@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

There are a few greedy people who figure out that no one will notice them picking folks pockets if they distract them with racism.

[-] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 5 points 20 hours ago

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Lyndon B. Johnson

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

I get what you’re going for, but it’s hard to believe that when said billionaires’ propaganda campaign was so easily and eagerly adopted by the majority of one of our political party bases. Including some of our own family members who had never openly expressed such sentiments before.

Propaganda is powerful, but can it make you suddenly, deeply believe something you weren’t already secretly feeling?

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

That is pretty much the point of propaganda. It takes advantage of people's psychology to manipulate them.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 20 hours ago

This. I recommend reading Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent. Or, you could watch the movie

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

For sure, great book and movie!

[-] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Maybe. Fictional stories can make you feel things, even though these stories aren't real. Just look at (fiction) movies, tv shows, books. If people can watch scary movies and get scared of fiction, maybe people can be made to be scared of other, real life people. Or worried, or whatever. Especially if maybe one doesn't know or doesn't have experience enough on the matter at hand.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because their lives are shit and they need somebody to blame.

The right will accept a boot on their face as long as they've got a face on which to rest their own boot.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 20 points 1 day ago

General population was always anti immigrant but the ruling class was smart enough to understand they needed immigration to sustain the growth. What changed is that everyone got so dumb they don't know what's in their best interest anymore.

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The "fuck you, I got mine" mindset aka FYIGM or getting first dibs.

That is, kicking out the ladder or destroying bridges or cutting off reach so that no one else is getting what one has achieved. Like, "I got first, you're getting nothing!"

[-] False@lemmy.world 167 points 2 days ago

People hated immigrants DURING the time period you're thinking of. And it wasn't always a skin color thing either, the Irish were one of the big targets for a long time.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

The concept of the white "race" was created by the acceptance of new nationalities into the fold in America and then dividing "us vs them" in a new way.

It bears some similarity to "Judeo-Christianity" so that we can draw the line between white people religion and everyone else.

[-] jqubed@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago

Italians were also targeted. Being from a Catholic country was sometimes enough to get targeted. Always found it funny (Woody Allen marriage funny, not Woody Allen film funny) that the Protestants who came to what is now Massachusetts seeking “religious freedom” meant it only for themselves and drove out anyone who didn’t subscribe to their views.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And it wasn’t always a skin color thing either, the Irish were one of the big targets for a long time.

Irish, Slavs and Italians were not considered white, so ... it's still a "where is the migration from" kinda thing

[-] floo@retrolemmy.com 22 points 2 days ago

The term “black Irish” didn’t come from nowhere

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[-] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

There was a reason businesses would put a sign out front that said "NINA". No Irish Need Apply.

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[-] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 102 points 2 days ago

Everything can be summarized in one Chinese idiom (成语):
过河拆桥

Aka: Crossing the river, then dismantle the bridge.
You're already crossed it, why care about the bridge, you wont be using it anymore.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

So like burning your bridges in English? Although I guess that's more for people. Maybe more like pulling up the ladder behind you.

[-] lemmyng@piefed.ca 26 points 2 days ago

The English version is "I got mine, fuck you."

Also applies to immigrant minorities who them vote conservative to keep other immigrants out.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

I keenly remember this Polish immigrant in Britain interviewed on TV who was in favor of Brexit very overtly so than no more people came.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think how "burning bridges" is generally used refers to not leaving yourself a way out. However in this case we're talking about not leaving others a way in.

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[-] devolution@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

America was never accommodating. The only thing immigrants had in common was hating black people.

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[-] devolution@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

And how do you think the Irish became accepted?

[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 60 points 2 days ago

Within a single generation. My grandfather showed up here at 11 from Romania. Never became a US citizen. His son, my father, is a rabid anti-immigrant racist Fox News fan boy. It's disgusting. Ironically my mother's great-great grandmother lost her birthright citizenship by marrying a Finnish immigrant before the 14th amendment existed and had to reapply for her own citizenship along with her husband because women's status was tied to the male head of household at the time, and now he rants about how birthright citizenship is wrong, despite being the exact person who benefits from it.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

His son, my father, is a rabid anti-immigrant racist Fox News fan boy.

Ding!

Ask not for whom the right-wing propaganda tolls, rest-of-the-world, it tolls for thee

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago

One way the wealthy and powerful stay that way is by constantly promoting the narrative that it's those poorer than you who are your enemy, not the bosses who starve you both.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There are two ways to deal with one's position in the Social Ladder: one can either concentrate one's efforts in climbing up or one can concentrate one's efforts into keeping the ones below down.

IMHO, the US used to have mainly the former, but not anymore, whilst the UK (at least by the time I got there, in the 00s, and since) has mostly the latter (and judging by this traditional idea that "people should know their place" reflected in British Theatre and Humour, it has been so for a long time).

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Here's a wiki article about the topic, because it would be a bit much to list it all out in a lemmy comment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_in_United_States_politics#History

The TLDR is though that its existed since before the country even became independent.

[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Its called "ladder pulling".

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 1 day ago

Easier communication. Thousands of people each living far apart had no way to amplify each other. Immigrants were mostly centered around cities, thus the rural divide.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Yeah, sorry OP.

Racism has always and will always be a part of America's identity. I'd go so far as to say I think it's part of human nature, given how pervasive and common it's been throughout all of human history.

[-] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Mostly personal opinion incoming, with a few facts mixed in: I think the message on the Statue of Liberty was what the best of us at the time wanted the majority of us to be. I'm not sure we ever were.

First we get the Puritans, wiping out Native Americans, and trying to push their religion on everyone.

Then you get the slave trade, which is not immigration, but a large influx of a new population regardless, that was suddenly a problem for some when those people were free and citizens.

Then you get the Ellis Island years. Immigrants would get here, get sucked into "the American dream" of capitalism (which can help only very specific people), then want to close the door behind them. That way none of the new, filthy immigrants from (insert ethnic/religious group of your choice) could get the same advantages. But everyone kept coming.

Now, in power due to the way everything got handled (badly) after our civil war, you have a combination of the religious right, who want christianity to continue to be number one, and the racists, who want to make sure their daughter doesn't sleep with anyone who's the wrong color. They were always here, festering in the background, but now they've gained power, and they're louder than before.

The rest of us are still here, suffering, watching the country we were told was great reveal its ugliest population to everyone. I'm left wondering if we were ever a country who actually wanted immigrants. Or if it was merely aspirational.

[-] switcheroo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

When stupid and hateful took over all three branches of government and runs unopposed...

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