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The Battle of Blair Mountain saw 10,000 West Virginia coal miners march in protest of perilous work conditions, squalid housing and low wages, among other grievances. They set out from the small hamlet of Marmet, with the goal of advancing upon Mingo County, a few days’ travels away to meet the coal companies on their own turf and demand redress. They would not reach their goal; the marchers instead faced opposition from deputized townspeople and businesspeople who opposed their union organizing, and more importantly, from local and federal law enforcement that brutally shut down the burgeoning movement. The opposing sides clashed near Blair Mountain, a 2,000-foot peak in southwestern Logan County, giving the battle its name.


Miners then often lived in company towns, paying rent for company-owned shacks and buying groceries from the company-owned store with “scrip.” Scrip wasn’t accepted as U.S. currency, yet that’s how the miners were paid. For years, miners had organized through unions including the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) and United Mine Workers of America (UMWA), leading protests and strikes. Nine years prior to Blair Mountain, miners striking for greater union recognition clashed with armed Baldwin-Felts agents, hired mercenaries employed by coal companies to put down rebellions and unionizing efforts. The agents drove families from their homes at gunpoint and dumped their belongings. An armored train raced through a tent colony of the evicted miners and sprayed their tents with machine gun fire, killing at least one. In 1914, those same agents burned women and children alive in a mining camp cellar at Ludlow, Colorado.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 177 points 1 month ago

Sharing this because public schools generally teach only about peaceful protest movements, so many aren't aware that the rights we enjoy as workers today were literally fought, killed, and died for, and often the US military was on the wrong side of the fight.

Also the story of Blair Mountain teaches us just how insidious US corporations will be if we let them.

[-] einkorn@feddit.org 69 points 1 month ago

But remember kids, if we get rid of one more regulation, the people owning those corporations will make us all rich!

SpoilerThey won't.

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[-] puppycat 119 points 1 month ago
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[-] Jolly_Platypus@lemmy.world 106 points 1 month ago

Never forget. That's what happens when billionaires fear no repercussion. No war but class war.

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[-] TachyonTele@piefed.social 52 points 1 month ago

Only a hundred years ago. We can't even go 100 years without evil infesting our government.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago

You know what sucks about this story the most for me?

I grew up with these people’s descendants. You know what they’re doing right now?

The entire area voted more than 80% for Trump.

It bums me out so much, but then, I get it. We have NOTHING. The only means of making a living around here for regular folks is mining coal. The democrats want to end the use of fossil fuels. Of course they do, but it has turned everyone into republicans around here. Nobody is offering alternatives that truly benefit anyone but the people who are already wealthy.

The people who already had money are turning all of the land into ATV trails, and every halfwit with a camera comes to town and gawks at the poor folks for YouTube money.

My god, it all pisses me off.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

You forgot to mention that most of them also have black lung.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Don't tell them or they'll start lynching their own internal organs.

[-] halferect@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I mean 90 billion dollars was set aside to teach them how to green energy but they voted to mine coal instead, I feel nothing for ignorant people, this is what they voted for

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I feel for ignorant people, so I’ll let your comment slide.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

The point is “nobody thinks about or cares for or helps them” is absolutely bullshit. Any attempts at help meet deaf, defeatist, petulant ears.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

You spend decades starving after you had it good, being smacked in the face by people who tell you that you’re just too stupid to understand, all while knowing that drugs were tested on your people, 2/3 of your friends and family are dead from it.

At that point, you’re dealing with a defeated people who have been fed promise after promise. Schools haven’t properly educated them since the 60s. Propaganda by pretend preachers is the only hope these people had.

The only thing I had growing up was school books from the 60s and 70s, church, and a faint memory of a time when everything was clean and good.

If I hadn’t been lucky enough to have a wealthy relative with a computer and access to the internet, I’d be right there with them. Opposing whatever crap people were trying to help me with and clinging to the one thing that I know for sure works around here. I know with 100% certainty that I wouldn’t have been able to learn anything without that little bit of luck, and at exactly the right time. Most of those people weren’t so lucky. By the time the internet became something they could afford, it was too late. Now it’s a propaganda machine that uses algorithms to further brainwash people and push them deeper into their idiocy. They don’t get the information about the clean energy initiatives. They get the information that comes from the last handful of rich assholes who own the coal companies and their cronies.

Jim Justice filled paychecks with propaganda and laid off several men in 2012 in anticipation of a Democratic victory. If you could have seen the anger I seen. That jackass owes my brother money to this day, but it was easy to convince them it was someone else’s fault when everything that had happened leading up to it was another head stomp deeper into the mud.

Change isn’t going to come overnight. These people were left to die while the world went on without them and then kicked while they were down with a so called “drug epidemic”.

They don’t trust anyone. They have a damn good reason for that.

I try to keep my emotions in check, but I get so angry when I think about this shit.

When I look back at my happy childhood memories, playing Nintendo with friends, I immediately get hit with heartbreak because the only people in a room full of kids who are alive today are me and my brother. The tiny amount of privilege we had is the only reason we weren’t buried with all of our friends.

My blood boils. I know that my people are stupid, but we’ve been intentionally kept that way for a long time. If it wasn’t intentional, it sure as shit seems that way.

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Not who you were replying to. I have sort of similar roots, angst, and anger. My grandparents grew up sharecroppers, entire extended family are fundamentalists.

There's nothing inherently wrong with being ignorant. It's just a matter of education. Willfull ignorance, on the other hand, is the greatest sin.

The part I still can't wrap my head around is falling for a New York, city slicker, orange ass, conman. My people used to dislike cops, hate the government, guns were just a fun tool for farm and hunting, and were suspicious of military jingoism and flag waving.

I wasn't able to get a single friend or family member to see how they were being manipulated, how they were changing. I changed some, especially when I lost the religion, but I feel like I'm closer to our roots than they are. It's profoundly alienating. I hate my own people a lot of the time. I'm so angry at them for fucking falling for such transparent bullshit. Fuck the evil bastards that lied them into it.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

They voted for him as a kind of "fuck you" to the system that's been fucking them over for so long. So many people voted for him because he seemed to be from outside of that system. I personally know people that would have voted for Bernie instead, because he was also a kind of outsider from our "normal" politicians.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

They voted for him as a kind of "fuck you" to the system that's been fucking them over for so long.

The irony in this is that all the social policies that democrats voted into law to help these people were sabotaged by the republicans they voted for. Both in the federal government and their state government. And yet they still vote for those same republicans every time. Part of that, I suspect, is due to the pulpit politics of their church leaders keeping them in line for the GOP by hammering those bullshit "woke is evil and they're coming for your children" talking points every sunday morning.

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[-] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago

The US government has always been evil. What are you talking about? Maybe learn about how evil a foreign policy the US has.

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[-] agelord@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Y'all are still living under an evil infested government.

[-] TachyonTele@piefed.social 8 points 1 month ago

That's literally what i just said.

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[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Can't even go 4 years

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 41 points 1 month ago

Behind the Bastards covered this. The mining company established a 'rape room' system, where wives and daughters of injured miners paid off medical debts with their bodies.

Part One: The Second American Civil War You Never Learned About

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 1 month ago

Well. That goes on the list of things I really didn't need to know. What the fuck, humanity.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 37 points 1 month ago

What did you think the National Guard was for?

[-] KittenBiscuits@lemmy.today 9 points 1 month ago

They didn't get their start shooting college students!

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

First they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak up..

[-] SippyCup@feddit.nl 10 points 1 month ago

Fun fact, if you mix dirty engine oil and sand in a water balloon, you could completely blind any vehicles that might be nearby.

Motor oil and sand just does not come off when it's all over motor vehicle windows.

Completely impossible to see through.

Just gonna leave that there

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[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago
[-] SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Based... on a logical and reasonable expectation of basic human rights actually being human rights

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[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

"March" is not the right word, though they did march. "Fight" and "battle" and "armed resistance" are more what happened.

Thousands of combatants, armed militias, airplanes literally dropping chemical weapons, and large machine guns at a time when machine guns were very new.

This is how you get change. Not through peaceful protest alone. A many-sided approach is needed, including peaceful protest, and yes one of those sides is certainly armed violent resistance.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Iirc Howard Zinn referred to this as the "second US Civil War" in A People's History of the United States

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

It was the biggest domestic military engagement since the US Civil War, at least.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I guess that depends on how you read KKK activity after Hayes ended Reconstruction.

But you could also attribute it to the same beast. Jim Crow was as much about crushing black labor power as it was state sponsored white nationalist terrorism.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

I'd read it as on-duty vs off-duty labor repression.

[-] darkpanda@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

A similar thing happened in my neck of the woods in 1925. Sounds familiar: unionized miners go on strike, company cuts off all credit to the company stores that they controlled, things become heated, company police shoot into crowds of miners killing one and wounding others, tensions increase, the military is brought in, and the dispute finally ends after a provincial election and recognition of the legitimacy of the union. Flash forward to today and the mines are all but shut down and many are museums, but the incident is still recognized every year as a local holiday.

Songs have been written, stories told.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs3ehG0xL58

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

https://www.wboy.com/only-on-wboy-com/rednecks-and-their-ties-to-the-battle-of-blair-mountain/

According to haenfler.sites.grinnell.edu, “the term redneck has strong agricultural ties. Originally used in the latter half of the 19th century, redneck was a slur used by upper class whites to describe lower class white farmers (Huber 1995). These lower class workers would often have sunburnt, red necks from tending their fields all day; hence the name.”

However, the term would soon turn away from its prejudiced roots and instead come to represent unification. At first, the term was used on pro-union southern coal miners “due to their communist ties,” grinnell.edu said. However, the labor unions took the term and transformed it into a symbol of unity, donning red bandanas to identify themselves.

In 1921, this “Red Neck Army,” a force 10,000 strong, marched from Charleston, W.Va. to Logan and Mingo counties, “the last two non-union counties in West Virginia,” according to appalachianhistory.net. The ultimate result of this march would be the Battle of Blair Mountain, where the striking miners would face off against state, company and federal forces.

Now... beyond the wierdness of a local news outlet ... citing a website instead of a person as a source...

Uh basically, yeah, the Battle of Blair Mountain is also very much associated with the term 'redneck', yeah, whole bunch of these guys wore red bandanas or kerchiefs around their necks.

In the subsequent century, we've as a society mostly completely forgotten about this, redneck just means dumb bubba hick out in the boonies...

... not armed combatants literally shooting and fighting and dying for better working conditions and pay.

Isn't the memory hole fun?

[-] tychosmoose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Matewan (1987) is a good movie covering aspects of this story. Great cast and an engaging story. The cinematography won an Oscar.

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