At the bare minimum, if a job does not pay enough to for one to stay alive, then one is in a desperate situation. One must treat this as a "hair on fire" emergency. That time at work is wasted and you deserve better.

#Because there used to be subreddits focused on being a jerk. When it was time to be "real", then fake HTML tags were used to mark it.

I love that this goofy-looking kid is now the (other) heartthrob from The Bear.

are you alive?

Don't forget cousin Engels

Don't forget his best friend Mr Bakunin!

When your rent is almost a thousand, then it dries up fast.

and?

where is the difference between earning $300 and needing $285 to stay alive, and earning $2000 and needing $1900 to stay alive?

Nobody is suggesting a model in which you don't work and still get stuff...

Labor is entitled to all it creates.

This depends on what ancestors your talking about. For instance, hunter and gathers rarely worked more than twenty hours a week to provide all their needs.

Yeah, it used to be sunup to sundown, 6 days a week. And the seventh was hardly a day of rest. And, there was no retirement at 65. There was working until you died, or at least working until you were very feeble and hoping that your children would take care of you in your old age (which just added to the work they had to do). Work also wasn't this thing that you had to start doing after university. It was this thing you started going before you hit puberty. You'd be feeding the animals, or helping mend the clothing as a child, and that work would continue for your entire life.

And, even if things were distributed more equitably, work would still be necessary. In fact, if things were distributed more equitably, it wouldn't be illegal immigrants or immigrants on short-term visas doing a lot of the agricultural work, it would be the kinds of people who complain about their 9-5 jobs.

The sad fact is that getting enough variety on your plate, a comfortable roof over your head, and entertainment in your eyes requires a lot of work from a lot of people. It would be really nice if we lived in a post-scarcity world with replicators to provide any food anybody desired, and robots to repair everything that broke. But, we're not there yet. Spending all day working 5 days a week feels rough, and maybe if things were more fairly distributed we'd only be working 3 days a week. But, until we invent the replicator, we're still going to need farms, and farms will need farm workers, and farm workers will need mattresses and roofs and vehicles, and those vehicles will require tires, and those tires will need to be tested for safety, and those safety testers will need computers, and those computers will need programmers, and those programmers will need caffeine...

Good, we are in agreement. No one is implying that work is unnecessary. Labor has existed for as long as we have -- much longer than capitalism. To equate this sentiment with the original post appears disingenuous.

Capitalism is exploitative by necessity. The rise of machines during the industrial revolution divorced the worker from the fruits of their labor and from the tools with which to produce them. Now we, the workers, are dependent on the owners for wages to sustain the material conditions of our existence. Much like how the manorial system forced the feudal serf to cultivate the land, today's workers are institutionally coerced: we sell ourselves by the year or by the hour. Meanwhile, the owners reap the vast profits watered by the sweat of labor while seeking to reduce the price of labor down to whatever minuscule sum allows us to continue working. There is, indeed, a more equitable system available.

Come again?

Pot meet , kettle, what the fuck are you doing here buddy? You should be out Rioting

Good to see you practising what you preach.