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When native English speakers complain that changing pronouns is too hard 🧐
man I have that issue but it's not (just) me being an asshole I actually just suck at remembering that people have transitioned
Best move I ever made was leaving for college and coming back with tits. That shock stuck in my friends heads
Home-grown or store-bought?
“If you can’t grow your own, store bought is fine.”
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Wait till you guys find out what the B in LGBT stands for
It means bisexual, as in being attracted to your own gender and other genders. Here's a link for you to learn that bisexuality is more than just a gotcha you can use against trans people: https://bi.org/en/101
It seems you’ve been offended by a simple joke.
To me, when it uses the exact same rhetoric as the people who take it seriously, it's not really a joke. Or at least it's not a funny joke.
"Haha, bisexuality contradicts non-binary identity," isn't really funny to me because a) it's not true, and b) I've seen cisgender bisexual people seriously put forth this notion in an effort to reduce support for transgender people. The "drop the T" movement has used almost your exact same language to try to illustrate through humour that trans people don't belong.
I'll admit I'm sensitive, but these phrases aren't really jokes. It's basic (and lame) wordplay at best. It's inherently stale, like the "I identify as an attack helicopter" and "don't assume my gender" crap.
Jokes are not for everyone to laugh at and you don’t get to decide what’s a joke and what’s not. As you seem quite concerned if this is hate speech or not, let me reassure you : it’s not, I meant this as a joke. If you still want me to stop, feel free to block my account.
You gave away your stance when you assumed that the person that was just providing general factual information and context was somehow offended by your comment.
This implies that you believe your comment can be understood as offensive and that a logical response for an offended party is to… educate people with context.
My stance ? You guys assume a lot of shit.
“You guys”? Were all internet strangers here, free to act on our own accords. My personal opinions are mine alone.
All that one person did was copy some dry factual information of something i though you where have a misconception about. The fact that just reading a generic fact makes you think that someone got offended makes me think you where feeling threatened somehow.
If you have any logical reasoning why else you’d jump to that conclusion i am happy to hear it.
Till you do i keep my own conclusion which is that “woke” makes you feel upset and i need to balance an honest attempt at making you reflect on your own behavior versus hurting your fragile worldview.
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I got the joke, but it's just not funny. It's overused so much I was fully expecting someone to say it as soon as I hit the comments. It's a part of the "only joke" series right leaning people make about non-binary people being "attach helicopters" and it comes up every time the subject comes up on the Internet.
Idk, I’m not from the US and don’t know what jokes you guys see on daily basis. Thing is, I couldn’t care less if you find that funny or not. What’s also funny is that the comment had +/- 10 upvotes and 0 downvotes till you guys came saying this is right leaning, trans hate and other utter crap. What was a simple joke (that you don’t find funny, I get it) is now labelled something way different. Gotta love this culture.
You complain a lot about a thing you couldn't care less about.
You didn’t understand, let me clarify for you : I don’t care if people find a joke good or not. None of my concern. I’m just reacting to people saying I’m using my comment against trans people. I really don’t know what’s up with those guys.
I agree that the joke went over their head, but I didn't read that as them being offended.
Joke? My take was that you made a foolish mistake and where rightfully corrected.
What was the funny part supposed to be? That the B stands for binary? Grow up 🙄
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Are there any spanish people? Is it based on person's gender or the following word's gender?
e.g. in Russian, "nebinarniy chelovek" means nonbinary human but in male declension because the word human itself is male, and "nebinarnaya persona" is female because the word person is female. We also have "nebimarnoye litso" where "litso" is face or a person and it's a third gender literally called soulless and beloved by police and lawyers because its dehumanizing
Interesting! It's based on the subject's gender. In spanish, human is male and person is female as well, but we don't have a third gender.
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Does make sense? In don't speak Spanish so I don't get the joke
The joke is:
Non-binary refers to people not identifying with either being exclusive male nor female.
The post shows someone asking ChatGPT what this is called in spanish.
As spanish seems to have gender for nouns, this defeats the purpose of being neither female/male.
also chatgpt says "depending on the gender of the person", which is funny as they're referring to a person that does not identify with male or female
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A non binary person would be "una persona non binaria", which is a gendered word, female.
It partially makes sense. Non-binary in Spanish is gendered depending on the subject. But it is not a real gender. Person is "female", human being is "male". But they are generic words
It's an adjective so it must match the gender of the noun before it. So if you want to say non-binary person, since person is femenine, you'd say "persona no binaria". Unfortunately, however, most nouns change gender depending on the gender of the person referred to. So you can't say non-binary gardener without resorting to "made up" grammar.
I think there is a grammatical rule for it, if you refer to a group of multi-gendered subjects you use the male suffix, so "no binario" would be the correct term to use.
Well, that's more or less true, although contested politically, but it certainly doesn't help when referring to individuals.
That said, the obsession with grammatical gender in pronouns is largely an anglosphere import, and the introduction of neolanguage neutral forms to Spanish is definitely not gaining the traction it does for English speakers. It simply messes with too many words too much of the time.
However, anyone who thinks native Spanish speakers don't mess around with pronouns needs to go hang out with some young people (or, you know, some LGBTQ people of any age), because man, the amount of gender flipping and going back and forth for effect you get in colloquial Spanish is both hilarious and definitely not compatible with "pronouns are evil" anglo conservatism.
So hey, the AI got it sorta right. Remove the "gender of the person" there, and add "how you feel about it" and it's pretty spot-on.
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Imagine if you’d asked it for a vegetarian recipe and it asked if you wanted it to have a chicken or beef base. It’s sorta like that
The joke is that someone who is non-binary doesn't identify as male or female, yet Spanish is a gendered language and thus ChatGPT provides male and female forks of the word "non-binary".
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Imagine all the annoyances we'd solve if we made languages less gendered (including English)
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