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[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago

Just picked up my first Framework 13. Moves like this are why I'm increasingly trusting of their mission and vision.

Hopefully they stay private, or better yet, change their corporate charter into a cooperative. Never go public.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago

Still waaay too expensive :(

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 22 hours ago

for laptops, either get last or even further generation 8 core cpu and 5070/4070, or be happy with AI 300 series igpu. Buy more memory instead. You might one day want local AI/LLMs.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Problem is almost no laptop has Strix Halo. Not even the Frameworks.

And rumors are its successor APU may be much better, so the investment could be, err, questionable.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

FFS I was just about to buy myself one and now I'm obviously gonna have to wait until November

Oh, wait, I can just upgrade it. Nbd.

[-] psoul@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

OK I’m a bit confused. I have a Framework 16” that I bought earlier this year, without the GPU extension bay. I don’t care that much about the expansion bay as without it, the laptop is already huge. I have an eGPU to play on when I need it.

What upgrade options does this announcement offer to me?

I’m dissatisfied with:

  • the webcam
  • screen colors / brightness
  • key stability on the keyboard (the keys are a bit wobbly)
  • speaker sound quality (I’m not expecting the best, but something better than what it shipped with)

They are announcing a new webcam, will it be backwards compatible ?

Otherwise I’m really happy with it, I absolutely love the modular I/O, being able to swap which side the audio jack is is amazing. happy to support this endeavor of repairability

[-] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 5 points 21 hours ago

There's new webcam, theres also an "empty" extension thing where you can put 2 nvme SSDs in place of the GPU.

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

They made a new webcam , but im not sure if they shipped recent models of the 16 with the new webcam or if you have to buy the new module :/

[-] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

At least there's an option at all.

[-] PangurBan@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

That's exactly why I like framework laptops.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago

I’d prefer an AMD 9000 series because I refuse to support Nvidia, but the upgradability is still an amazing achievement. I’m glad to see Framework delivering.

[-] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 27 points 1 day ago

It could help if AMD still manufactured discrete mobile GPUs.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Their website still lists RX 7000M & S series, but I don't know of a single *other *laptop brand that currently offers them. There is certainly is no hint of a 9000 series mobile GPU, which is a shame. I probably won't buy another laptop until AMD is back in the mobile GPU game. Not that they're perfect, but they are significantly less evil than NVidia.

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[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Out of curiosity, why do you refuse to support Nvidia? AMD isn't some saint, they're a shitty corporation just like Nvidia. They got lucky when Jim Keller saved their asses with the Ryzen architecture in the mid-2010s. They haven't really innovated a god damn thing since then and it shows.

Edit: I get it, I get it, Nvidia is a much shittier company and I agree. I was pretty drunk last night before bed, please pardon the shots fired

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 46 points 1 day ago

Besides what was mentioned below, it's not about making competitive products but about Nvidia being an absolute asshole since the 2000s and they got even worse ever since the crypto and AI craze started. AMD and Nvidia are both corporations but they are not even playing the same game when it comes to being anti-competitive.

There's a reason why Wikipedia has a controversies section on Nvidia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia#Controversies

That list is far from exhaustive. There's so much more about Nvidia that you should remember vividly if you were a PC gamer in the 2000s and 2010s with an AMD GPU, like:

  • When they pushed developers to use an unecessary amount of tesselation because they knew tesselation performed worse on AMD
  • When they pushed their Gameworks framework which heavily gimped AMD GPUs
  • When they pushed their PhysX framework which automatically offloaded to CPU on AMD GPUs
  • When they disabled their GPUs in their driver when they detected an AMD GPU is also present in the system
  • When they were cheating in benchmarks by adding optimizations specific to those benchmarks
  • When they shipped an incomplete Vulkan implementation but claimed they are compliant

Nvidia has been gimping gaming performance and visuals since forever for both AMD GPUs and even their own customers and we haven't even gotten to DLSS and raytracing yet.

I refuse to buy anything Nvidia until they stop abusing their market position at every chance they get.

[-] amorpheus@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago

they're a shitty corporation just like Nvidia

Neither of them are anyone's friend, but claiming they're the same level of nasty is a bit of a stretch.

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[-] ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 day ago

Not OC but I don't want to deal with Nvidia's proprietary drivers. AMD cards "just work" on Linux

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

So I'm going to be skeptical here. I had an older 9xx MSI laptop that was touted as replaceable and "upgradable" GPU for the next generation at the time.

That ended up as a big ol' whoops, because replacement screwed with thermals and found that you couldn't actually upgrade because of all kinds of reasons and resulted in a class action suit.

Just color me skeptical on these types of things.

[-] notthebees@reddthat.com 9 points 1 day ago

Since the cooling system is self contained in the module, you shouldn't have that issue.

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[-] Bluewing@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Now if I could only afford a Framework.......

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[-] kepix@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

damn son, those lappies aint cheap

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 128 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The more impressive thing is that they managed to get the Nvidia upgrade to be backwards compatible with existing Framework 16 models.

That's the push I need to really, truly believe they're committed to the goal of upgradablity. Too many "modular" products have come out where the "upgraded" modules were only available if you bought the newest version of the base product.

In the next year or so, I'll probably be buying a new laptop, and this has convinced me that Framework is probably the way to go.

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[-] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

lol industry first? Swappable GTX models were already a thing 10+ years ago. Clevo/Sager chimes in…… “bitch, we did it before you”.

[-] Dremor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Nowhere in the press release and he claim to be an industry first on swappable mobile GPU, and the title imply that the "industry first" is to have a swappable RTX5070M, which may be correct, especially depending on your definition of "swappable".

[-] notthebees@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

That said, the cooling system is contained in the module. Afaik the mxm modules were just PCBs.

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[-] any1th3r3@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

And still no OLED screen... why Framework, why?

I got one of the latest Framework 13 a couple months ago for work, and while I'm happy about the prospects of future repairability and upgradability down the line, it's not a great laptop given its pricepoint.
The build is subpar, with the screen flexing a ton, the keyboard and trackpad are lacklustre and pretty uncomfortable, but the worst is the screen, it's dim, with poor colour reproduction and 3:2 is frankly not for me. And fractional scaling is a mess with XWayland, while it was much better on my 2019 XPS 13.

I love what Framework are pushing for and actually achieving, but tradeoffs are very much at play. I'm hoping for an OLED screen replacement in the near future though.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 day ago

The good thing: You will probably be able to swap it once they make it available.

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[-] iopq@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

That's it, every other gaming laptop is finished. Even though I have the older CPU I can get the newest GPUs now. Nobody can claim that right now. No other company is doing this.

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The other laptops arent finished yet. Framework is super expensive , even compared to other gaming laptops.
I think its worth it, but thats not the opinion of a lot of casual people.
And had i not gotten one via my job, i would not have gotten a framework 16 because of the price

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[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago
[-] xthexder@l.sw0.com 5 points 23 hours ago

Apparently there's some open source designs for a sim card module already. Idk if Framework is planning on making their own though. https://github.com/Zokhoi/framework-cellular-card

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Presumably a Wan modern could fit in one of those little USB port things.

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