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Google has been trying to make Android proprietary for a few years now, and that's not news, as many AOSP default apps have been abandoned over time in favor of proprietary Google ones. This was never a huge problem for me, as you can still use those apps without network access or use open source alternatives like Fossify on a custom ROM.

However, the situation is quickly getting worse, now that Google is actively trying to prevent the development of custom ROMs and taking a page from Apple's book by forcing developers to beg them for permission to release apps on the Android platform, even outside of the Play Store - giving Google full control.

Is there still any hope left for privacy respecting Android ROMs? What do you think will happen next? And what would be your suggestions for those looking for a phone in 2025?

If you have a different perspective on the situation, also please comment below!

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[-] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

As of right now, it's looking like GrapheneOS will be unaffected, and Google has yet to lock down the bootloader. So this should remain a valid option for at least 2 years.

Other than that:

  • Any smartphones with an unlocked bootloader + any ROMs without gapps
  • Chinese smartphones with non-Google Android builds
  • Linux smartphones
  • Bonus: Huawei is about to release their own non-Android OS, but I wouldn't expect it to be privacy-friendly

Honestly there probably isn't any good, long-term solution. Personally I'm somewhat shocked we've gone this many years with reasonably open smartphones. Next step is probably closing bootloaders in new laptops, as part of the switch to ARM (which is already undergoing).

[-] Sailor88@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago

Plain burner flip phone and a wifi only Linux device that connects to a hotspot. F google and Apple.

[-] dsilverz@calckey.world 6 points 12 hours ago

@Sailor88@lemmy.world @ComradePedro@lemmy.ml

I'd really love a Linux phone (personally, I have a Linux PC and I use Arch, btw) so don't get me wrong when I question: what about the banking and government apps? Yeah, because finance systems are getting increasingly digital around the world and every payment will eventually need to involve banking apps, and you guessed it: just Android (Google) and iOS (Apple), no Linux, no KaiOS. One will eventually need apps to pay for rent and consumer bills, even for buying groceries, as fiat currency will get more digital and less physical.

And, no, European Union won't fight against it because, in fact, the same European Union is seeking to digitalize EUR (see "ECB publishes third progress report on the digital euro preparation phase", published by European Central Bank on 16 July 2025). It's not a matter of if, but when physical currencies will become ruled out, and "For Our Security™", Linux (alonside other alternative OSes) will either be ruled out from internet banking altogether or it'll be forced to comply with "security requirements" that, in practice, would turn Linux indistinguishable from Android and iOS.

And this seems to be where everywhere is headed, it's not just an European or USian phenomenon. The future is bleak.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

You will use Monero or Parrish.

No, seriously though, the circular economy is growing and by contributing to it, you are giving the middle finger to these fuckers.

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[-] who@feddit.org 9 points 16 hours ago

Related: Has anyone here used Pretty Good Phone Privacy (PGPP)?

https://invisv.com/pgpp/

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/sec21-schmitt.pdf

[-] monovergent@lemmy.ml 20 points 18 hours ago

Until substantially more people join the fight for privacy or something else fundamentally changes, I think there is a very real possibility of Google completely clamping down on Android while governments and workplaces mandate apps that only run on phones with all of Google or Apple's bells and whistles.

But the folks at GrapheneOS, Calyx, and Murena seem to be a devoted and resourceful bunch, so I am hopeful that they can give something for us to work with, even if Google pulls the plug, whether it's a fork of Android or rebasing to mobile Linux.

If that all falls through, I'll look for whichever phone supports Linux best and eventually move everything over. The vast majority of the apps I use regularly on my GrapheneOS phone aren't very demanding and have a decent alternative on Linux. And whatever apps are forced on me by other people will reside on a dedicated Android phone, ideally with a removable battery.

For this year, I'd still recommend a secondhand or reseller Pixel with GrapheneOS. Everything just works on it.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago

we need the devs who make lineageos to come up with something, because that's what most people have access to. and their stance is that they won't be doing anything to bypass any of google's restrictions.

that's if unlocking is still a thing in the near future.

[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 12 points 18 hours ago

Fuck it, I'm going back to Landline

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted 6 points 15 hours ago

Weary traveler, I beseeth thee to not harken down this path.

I hear tales of dark spirits haunting those old byways. Ones of greed, with an emotionless façade, and hunger for gold from too-eager souls.

[-] jeff_hykin@lemmy.world 25 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yes, absolutely there is hope.

Phones that don't support Google play services (AKA any hardcore privacy phone) will not be directly effected by Google restricting sideloading. The restriction is only for phones that use the Google suite. (source: https://9to5google.com/2025/08/25/android-apps-developer-verification/ "This requirement applies to 'certified Android devices' that have Play Protect and are preloaded with Google apps.") Graphene OS isn't going anywhere, AOSP is open source, even if Google tried to make that change in the OS, the community would hard-fork AOSP instantly and continue like nothing ever happened.

Realistically this is going to squeeze people "in the middle" towards fully-google controlled Android (one exteme) and towards fully-de-googled Android (the other extreme). Its just elminating the middle. Which is bad for people trying to gradually de-google their life, but not as dire as it might seem.

On the bright side, this is an opportunity for play-services spoofing to become commonplace and easy, and could cause more apps to avoid google play services. The EU also has a shot at forcing google to allow sideloading, since they've recently been forcing Apple to move in that direction.

So, while not a bright future, its far from hopeless for privacy respecting Android phones.

[-] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

This is the point, isn't it?

Lock down their own ecosystem because they're jealous of how Apple does it, so they can herd all users into their walled garden. Then close the gates behind them. There's no easy way out, you can't just wander back and forth anymore. You have to scale a wall in the dead of night and shed a tear as you look back and see everyone else having a lovely life, then set off into the dark forest of privacy on your own.

People hate friction in the first place. This is as much friction as they can realistically make on their own without triggering anti-trust cases and EU fines.

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 4 points 15 hours ago

There's no hope for privacy at all as long as American and the 5 eyes exist.

[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 17 points 21 hours ago

Said this in another thread

So how long until celluar providers also say you have to have a trusted device to activate your SIM? Apple, Google, Samsung, automotive and Windows would be fine and they’d probably allow their branded or limited hotspots.

This would basically eliminate any Linux option (pc or phone), and DIY devices. I could see other OOB vendors getting on board to be certified to have a certificate issued to them.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 20 hours ago

with esim, this gets even easier for them to do.

[-] irmadlad@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

I've always wanted to try one of these.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

yeah i can see this kinda thing becoming the resistance by the looks of it. i'm already wondering to myself if it could be practical to use something like this with postmarket or aosp.

i wonder if i could make it thinner and more ergonomic if i desoldered unused io.

[-] 0x0@lemmy.zip 60 points 1 day ago

What do you think will happen next?

Development of Linux on mobile will ramp up.
EU or similar wrecking Google over being monopolistic would be nice but unlikely.
Same but targeting phone manufacturers.

[-] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 49 points 1 day ago

We need the EU to regulate Banking and Payment apps to not rely on Google apis first and mandate that they have to be available in open app stores or as apk.

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Right now the EU regulation is pushing banks to require more of Google or Apple because it's unclear and banks won't take a chance of getting fined.

Among the requirements are: ensure the device and the OS were not "altered". What does that mean exactly? Answer: [crickets].

But that's why many banks just go with the Google Play Integrity API.

[-] lemonySplit@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

Even just forcing them to stop blocking access on the website when they detect a phone would be nice.

I have to enable desktop mode on ironfox since ~2 years ago for my bank. Then the scaling is terrible and its hard to click buttons

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

Exactly. It's like we've somehow been told that we must support only the main 2 OSs and nothing else.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 23 points 1 day ago

They don't even do that with their own apps.

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[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 12 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

From the EU to wreck Google e-Foundation, with advantage substituting GMail, GDocs and GDrive >Murena Workspace, Murena Phones (FairPhone) with /e/OS by default, Murena is OpenSource (GitLab) selfhostable or Freemium if not, including Murena Cloud., All 100% de-googled and encrypted, no knowledge. The EU offers enough alternatives, you only have to use these.

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[-] upstroke4448@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Yes. As long as GrapheneOS still exists there is at least some hope. The sad thing is even before this outside of GrapheneOS there really isn't any other "ROM" actually focused on privacy.

[-] TeamTeddy@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

I've heard that there's phones that use Linux, so I imagine once modifying Android isn't an option focus will probably go into making that more viable.

[-] generator@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago

"Linux phones will skyrocketed" by who? Nerds, the comum user doesn't care if Android is proprietary or opensource, they don't even know.

There's already other mobile OS but have the same issue, no apps or developers interested on making apps for it.

FirefoxOS, Ubuntu touch, something else Linux based, it's for some nerds play on a secondary phone.

Comum people don't stop using Windows or macOS because it's proprietary or a privacy nightmare. EU didn't stop selling iPhones because it's proprietary.

It's the device vendors that decide which OS would ship, and people will use it

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

And yet Linux usage on desktop is rising.

Not as much as it should be IMO but it's fallacy to think things won't change.

Or is IBM still top dog?

[-] generator@lemmy.zip 1 points 26 minutes ago

Because the main apps used on other systems work on Linux, and also games.

Linux phones now is more Linux in early 2000, a few apps that kinda work, you don't have banking apps, games, android auto like, streaming apps or any of most common apps used by users

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[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 8 points 20 hours ago
[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 20 hours ago

the eu is pushing for every chat conversation to be snooped on lol

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago

The "EU" is a set of instances with multiple backgrounds and interests. Multiple bodies can work in totally different directions.

[-] fredrik@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

I live in EU, and that shit drives me nuts.

Stop spying on your citizens!

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[-] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

I'm not gonna go looking for it or share it, but I am here using my Librem 5 and kinda feeling like that kid in the meme hitting a bong in the background while people in the foreground fight.

[-] monovergent@lemmy.ml 5 points 18 hours ago

How much does the Librem 5 satisfy what you want out of a daily driver phone?

[-] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

I am satisfied with it. Calls/SMS/MMS all work fine. Internet and the few apps I use work fine.

I will admit though that many (most?) others might not agree. Banking apps, GPS navigation, these are things I don't care about.

I have gripes with the L5 but I am never, ever going back. My next phone will probably be Purism's next phone, if they have one.

[-] aeternum 1 points 5 hours ago

I’m stuck with Apple or android as my bank only has an app, as in, no web interface. I could change bank, but I don’t think I’d be able to. It has features that use every day that other banks here don’t have afaik

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

I actually switched my bank, because my bank did not have a proper web interface, so I was like, you know what, fuck you, I'm leaving.

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