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[-] commander@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Valves the only one with a major digital store. Everyone else is making money off hardware margin and frequent hardware releases. I want a smaller one though. Pretty much a Switch 2 sized handheld. Maybe even smaller. Different levels of portability. Like I don't need to be on a device that can run at 15-30w like current Steam Deck competitors when I'm just trying to play Persona 5 on an airplane. You can play that set at lowest TDP on a Steam Deck and hit 30fps

[-] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 hours ago

I mean everything's price is out of control. But, other than that, yeah, I'm not surprised. It's not surprising that massive companies just wouldn't understand what made the Steam Deck great in the first place.

I still recommend it to most people. I still think it's the best on the market. Because I still think that the more open nature of the device, its trackpads and that SteamOS are killer features.

[-] somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 hours ago
[-] Hallokas@pawb.social 5 points 10 hours ago
[-] wry@piefed.zip 51 points 17 hours ago

Newer handhelds might have more power, but I still think the Deck is the best value for what it offers.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 hours ago

I would love to see a lower powered and low budget focused one. Powerful enough for locally running a web browser, normal Linux stuff like SSH and some low spec games like CDDA. Otherwise most games would be played by streaming it from your desktop.

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 50 minutes ago

I just want something that runs Minecraft so I don't have to keep up to date with workarounds on the Switch that Nintendo keeps trying to block

also fuck bedrock edition

my switch exists primarily for Minecraft. I don't use it much because the experience is terrible. if there was something that did the same thing but for Java, I'd buy it

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

There are loads and loads of really cheap Android-based emulator handhelds. The YouTuber TechDweeb does lots of reviews of these devices. These things have effectively spawned their own retro gaming ecosystem around them.

An alternative is to pick up a used New Nintendo 3DS (New being part of the name, distinguishing it from the original 3DS which is way less powerful). This device can be hacked to run many different emulators and play thousands of games. While the screens are not as good as the best Android handhelds, the form factor is ideally suited for running DS and 3DS games (which obviously run natively on the device) while still being great for older single-screen systems (the unused touch screen is excellent for emulator controls such as pause/resume and save/load state).

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, but I hate android and want to run steam natively so I can play indie games.

Where is my small Linux handheld for steam. Something not targeting the AAA games?

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I believe a lot of the folks into these retro handhelds ditch the default Android system and install a community made distro specifically for running these retro emulators! TechDweeb talks about them.

[-] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

In that form factor/size are the android handhelds better screens worth the trade-off of what I assume is better build quality from Nintendo (I've never used a ds so I assume the build quality is better)

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I’m not sure actually. I’m into the hobby but I have only a New 3DS. I plan to get one of those handhelds at some point but I’m not there yet!

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 2 points 8 hours ago

A used PS Vita would be better I feel. Similar size, and just as hackable (Emu4Vita). Except a Vita has:

  • better screen
  • Bluetooth audio (more and more headphones are Bluetooth)
  • A functional sleep mode (the 3ds doesn't go into sleep mode unless it's a 3DS/DS game. So any emulator game just turns off the screen but still runs and drains the battery)
  • A possibly standard connector (the 2000 series uses micro-USB)

The only advantage a 3DS has is that it has 3DS and DS games, but the Vita has PS Vita games, PSP games, and PSX games to its advantage.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

My N3DS runs PSX games just fine via RetroArch.

The Bluetooth audio sounds really nice though.

I don’t know anything about the PSP or Vita libraries so I don’t know why I would want them. The DS and 3DS library is absolutely ginormous so that’s a big draw for me.

As for sleeping/power drain, I haven’t had too many issues since I turned the brightness down. I don’t have enough free time in a day to drain the whole battery and I plug it in to charge every night. Maybe the sleep issues with emulators have been fixed? I use RetroArch and it seems to work fine coming in and out of sleep.

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 1 points 7 hours ago

What PSX games did you try? I tried Silent Hill and it was more of a sideshow than a game.

As for the power drain, I don't always have time to charge every night and that's when I see the problems. (Traveling and such)

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Did you try it on a 3DS or a New 3DS? They look so similar and have such similar names that it’s easy to confuse them but the hardware difference is enormous.

Also when did you last try it? There’s been a ton of work put into the dynarec PSX core (I forget the exact name of the emulator. It’s basically an alphabet soup name) for RetroArch that’s made night and day performance improvements.

I can’t help much on the travelling bit. I’m actually surprised that a PS Vita would last multiple days of all-day gaming while travelling without being able to charge.

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 1 points 6 hours ago

I have a N3DS. As for when I last tried, would have been 8 to 12 months ago max.

And the Vita doesn't has multiple days of all day gaming, it has about the same amount of play time as the 3DS, but it can be left in sleep mode for much longer. After 2-3 days of being in sleep mode (normal, not an emulator), the 3DS battery is drained and i need to recharge it. The Vita can sit for a week or 2 and barely have lost any power.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Ahhh okay. I tend to leave my N3DS turned off all the time. I only use sleep mode for short term. Maybe that’s why I don’t have an issue?

[-] Coskii 1 points 7 hours ago

PSP had an amazing library of games that I honestly miss and am glad to see some of them coming back soon in the way of spiritual successors.

Some of the tops for me were:

Monster hunter Cladun Dj max Patapon Loco roco Final fantasy dissidia Half minute hero Lumines Patchwork hero Holy invasion of privacy badman! What did I do to deserve this? Disgeae

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Some of those definitely look like weird and creative games!

I’m not too fond of the post-6 Final Fantasy games, mostly for their looks, so Dissidia doesn’t appeal to me. I do really like Final Fantasy Tactics though I can play it on my N3DS (along with FFTA and A2).

My friend has been begging me to get into the Fire Emblem series and when I do that will be a big rabbit hole. I also want to play the Phoenix Wright and Professor Layton games (which really take advantage of the DS hardware).

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago

If you like VN style games, I'd recommend "Hotel Dusk: Room 215" and "Last Window: The Secret of Cape West". (Same genre as Professor Layton and Phoenix Wright). Both are on the DS, and each takes advantage of the hardware as well.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Hey thanks for the recs!

[-] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You want a linux psp, a media device that had a web browser too. The psp was som far ahead of its time.

[-] princessnorah 3 points 9 hours ago

So essentially a Steam Link/Moonlight thin client? Yeah, I like the idea of that.

[-] Romulon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

I think a budget android handheld could work well for game streaming. TechDweeb and Retro Game Corps newest videos show android handhelds that cost less than 100€.

[-] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

The android console did not do do well. I mean it made a lot of money, but died not last long after release.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 hours ago

With google looking at locking down Android and preventing you from installing things on it I would rather not

[-] oxysis 158 points 20 hours ago

Once again Valve proves they actually understand what people want; a relatively cheap and effective system that lets people play the games they want to play

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Dude it's my favorite PC in a very very long time. I will definitely be installing Linux on my laptop at some point soon.

[-] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago

Well people also want HL3, and here we are...

[-] mudstickmcgee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago

The hype train for hl3 is so off the rails that valve can't release it. It would never live up to the hype, so it's a pretty sound decision not to make it.

[-] Undearius@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

They should make the game where, after the opening credits, it just says "There, we did it. Fuck off" and then rolls end credits.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 19 hours ago

Two things massively help Valve:

Steam is a goddamned money printing machine, they are the most profitable software company per capita, per employee... possibly bar none.

Also... they're not publically traded.

They do not have investors constantly forcing maximization of short term profits at the cost of literally everything else.

... So they can afford to ... not price gauge everyone.

[-] KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 4 points 9 hours ago

... So they can afford to ... not price gauge everyone.

They must be too busy enabling children gambling on hats

[-] Bongles@lemmy.zip 20 points 15 hours ago

Also... they're not publically traded.

They do not have investors constantly forcing maximization of short term profits at the cost of literally everything else.

I fantasize about the idea of starting private companies for things currently dominated by public companies, with the sole idea of not being greedy and shitty.

[-] potoo22@programming.dev 28 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Probably the biggest advantage they have is that they can sell devices at cost or even at a loss and still profit from increased Steam game sales, like how other console makers operate.

3rd parties can't compete with that. Not even close. If there's no profit from the device itself, there's no motivation to make it. And apart from the hardware cost, they also need to pay for the R&D and corporate maintenance. They can't compete with the Steam Deck. If they made an exact Steam Deck clone, they'd have to make it, idk ~$40 more to make a profit, but no one would buy it because the Steam Deck is the same for less. They have to give it slightly higher specs to give it a niche. That might take hardware cost up to $500 and then charge $150 more to make up for the distributor fees and then $100 to make it actually profitable. But at that point, they've already lost most budget and casual gamers, they might as well aim at whales and enthusiasts and make profits $300. If a $950 device sells half as well as a $750 device, it's still more profitable.

Edit: more realistic numbers

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 3 hours ago

They could sell them at a loss assuming the average Steam outlay per device exceeded the loss. This figure would be dragged down by people buying them as generic portable PCs, using them solely with emulators, using them as drone controllers (apparently the Ukrainian military do that), and such.

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[-] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 91 points 20 hours ago

I think the big difference is that they seem to be optimizing for customer satisfaction where others are not.

My favorite example I use often is how the Steam Deck comes with a case. It’s free and there’s not even an option to not get it. They know you need one, they include it. The Switch doesn’t come with a case. They know you need one but they don’t care. You’ll buy one if you want it bad enough and that’s more revenue.

It’s just a different type of optimization.

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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 65 points 20 hours ago

This is just... not true?

The Deck ranges from 420 to 680. The Legion Go S is 520, right in the middle of that. The Z1 Extreme ROG Ally is 670, right in line with the top of the line Deck (and noticeably more powerful). The Switch 2 is 470, on the cheaper side and also a fair bit beefier.

This article is arguing that having next-gen chips in boutique devices for 1K is a) a new development, and b) a bad thing. It is neither.

Before the Deck went mass market with PC handhelds they would routinely be a lot more expensive. The original Ayaneo was between 800 and 900 in 2021. The Pro model went up to 1200.

I want those things to exist. I want GPD to cram a Strix Halo into a handheld with a removable battery. I want Ayaneo to build a dual screen clamshell. I want Odin to slap a Xbox controller around an iPad. I want them to make a dumb console that spits out its buttons so you can flip them around. I want vertical handhelds. All that kooky weirdness is experimenting with new form factors and parts in ways that will move the segment forward. Without Ayaneo, Odin or GPD being dumb enough to cram a laptop into a handheld there'd be no Steam Deck in the first place.

Let the people who like weird hardware dump a grand or two into those weird things and that's how you eventually get a comfortably priced for-the-rest-of-us device from Valve or Asus that takes the ideas from those that work.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 7 hours ago

And Steam sales subsidize the deck, too.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 6 hours ago

Sure. Maybe? The Deck isn't that expensive, and despite being relatively limited runs it definitely has some benefits from scale. For one it's a custom APU, so you have to assume there's a specific deal with AMD.

Valve is certainly a first party that benefits from software sales primarily, so it makes sense for them to go to some lengths to invest in bringing people over, but I'm not sure that they are actively subsidizing the Deck, the price seems pretty reasonable. I'm sure they don't make a ton of money from it, though, so they definitely get to thin those margins up a LOT compared with the pure hardware manufacturers, let alone with the tiny companies making handhelds one at a time.

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 2 points 8 hours ago

I completely agree. I passed over the Steam Deck and went for the MSI Claw 8 instead. I was willing to pay the extra for a waaaay better CPU/GPU combo and - the killer feature IMHO - not one, but two Thunderbolt ports. Long term, this means I can expect a longer life out of my MSI than the Steam Deck is likely to get, but also means when the GPU does start to chug I can connect an eGPU to it's dock.

To be clear, that doesn't mean I don't rate the Steam Deck - I really, really do - and it's level of capability and price-point will act as a stabalising point for the wider industry, but I paid more for a better device and got my money's worth.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 3 points 6 hours ago

You went for an Intel handheld? I salute you, sir, that's a deep cut.

As one of the five people on the planet who own an Intel GPU I firmly believe we are in a very exclusive club that will one day do wonders for hardware archaeology.

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 2 points 5 hours ago

We had a bunch of laptops at work with ARC GPUs in them. The vendor supplied one of them as test units saying they were ideal as portable 8K video editing machines, to which I replied - in exactly these words - "oh, fuck off". But then we tested them and they're honestly excellent and run a lot cooIer and longer than the AMD/Intel+Nvidia equivalents. I had to apologise. I got to test the Claw side-by-side with the Steam Deck playing RDR2 and Forza Horizon 5 and that sealed the deal. And when the ARC GPU does start groaning then, like I said, it's eGPU time. The ARC is probably never going to bother the top-tier GPUs from AMD and Nvidia, but for portable and, I dare say, midrange desktop gaming it's ideal.

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