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lol ๐
I know two things to be true:
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Russia started the war.
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Your coworker is an idiot.
He is misinformed or deliberately revising history to fit his narrative. Ukraine's damming of the canal was done after the annexing of Crimea, and in direct response to it. The other relevant dam, the Kakhovka Dam was built by the Soviets in the 1950s. It was destroyed (after a few failed attempts) by Russian demolition charges, though they continue to deny it.
There were arguments from Ukraine about the continued Russian occupation of their Sevastopol naval base in Crimea, which Ukraine wanted to end. That was the real provocation that Russia could not tolerate, but that is not so sympathetic of a story as saying the "Ukrainians cut off the water to the poor independence-minded Crimeans" /s
Of course, if someone is going to wholesale believe one side or the other I doubt there is any way of convincing them otherwise, but the facts simply do not fit the Russian narrative. If, indeed Ukraine "damming the canal" was such a great provocation that they had to start a war over it, why then did Russia subsequently destroy Kakhovka dam during said war which dried up the canal anyway? Of course they claim they did not, because it is a war crime, but it's pretty absurd to pretend that Ukraine had the means to do it given the dam and surrounding area was very thoroughly under Russian control at all times.
That is absolutely what he was trying to talk about! Thank you!
It was shut down after Russia invaded in 2014 and was only %18 of the drinking water supply.
I really appreciate the effort you put in to get me that information.
Don't downvote a genuine question... ๐
Thank you, the answers have been massively helpful. I appreciate the vote of confidence.
No Putin's interest was provoked when President Clinton removed the nukes from Ukraine.
Is your coworker Donald Trumpf?
Not Trump himself, but he's a big fan, facebook tells him to be.
I mean you can go around his probably fake thing by just saying none of this deserves 2 years of wars and dead civilians.
Yeah, that was essentially where it was left at. He said Ukraine broke a contract with russia (he ad pivoted to the NATO encroachment defense of the war) and I said even if there was a valid contract that legally justified war, it wouldn't morally justify killing Ukrainians and displacing them from their homes.
That is the impasse we left it at.
It's pretty telling if "the death of civilians is bad" amounts to an impasse/agree to disagree situation
"Ukraine started the Russian war by building a Dam that would starve a community of water" is a statement that has no basis in fact.
That which can be stated without evidence can be countered without evidence.
Thank you for the confirmation, I appreciate it.
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