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submitted 2 years ago by Grayox@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

Amazon.com’s Whole Foods Market doesn’t want to be forced to let workers wear “Black Lives Matter” masks and is pointing to the recent US Supreme Court ruling permitting a business owner to refuse services to same-sex couples to get federal regulators to back off.

National Labor Relations Board prosecutors have accused the grocer of stifling worker rights by banning staff from wearing BLM masks or pins on the job. The company countered in a filing that its own rights are being violated if it’s forced to allow BLM slogans to be worn with Whole Foods uniforms.

Amazon is the most prominent company to use the high court’s June ruling that a Christian web designer was free to refuse to design sites for gay weddings, saying the case “provides a clear roadmap” to throw out the NLRB’s complaint.

The dispute is one of several in which labor board officials are considering what counts as legally-protected, work-related communication and activism on the job.

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[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 177 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You can get mad at Amazon, but really it's the Supreme Court you should be mad at. Amazon is going to take advantage of whatever it thinks will make them more money. The government is the thing that is supposed to keep them in check.

Edit: A lot of people seem to be reading something different from what I wrote. I didn't say you shouldn't be mad at Amazon, or that Amazon isn't at fault for their own actions. What I did say is that you should expect this type of behavior from a business and should expect our government to do a better job at keeping this behavior in check.

[-] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 133 points 2 years ago

I’m mad at both. Amazon is trash. The current court is trash. And all the ghouls that got us this shit ass court are trash, from Mcconnell to Trump to every dummy that votes for Trump to the stupid stupid Democrats who didn’t fight tooth and nail when Obama’s pick didn’t get a hearing and didn’t pack the courts at the 1st opportunity. Oh and fuck RGB who should have fucking retired at the start of Obama’s 1st term. Octogenarians who survived multiple bouts of cancer don’t have the luxury of hanging out so the 1st female president gets to appoint their successor. Democrats are so fucking inept it’s hard to believe that they aren’t sandbagging us on purpose

[-] Blake@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago

it’s hard to believe that they aren’t sandbagging us on purpose

It’s hard to believe that they’re not doing it on purpose exactly because they are doing it on purpose. The system isn’t broken, it’s doing exactly what it is designed to do. You cannot use the system against itself. Voting helps prevent the greater evil but that just gets you the lesser evil. If you want an answer that is not evil at all, we need to create that entirely separately, outside of the established system and politics.

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[-] mookulator@mander.xyz 35 points 2 years ago
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[-] alignedchaos@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 years ago

“Amazon is going to take advantage of whatever it thinks will make them more money.”

Yea I will in fact get mad at that kind of behavior. Lots of businesses doing it (and commenters like you normalizing it) doesn’t make them less responsible for their shitty behavior.

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

what the fuck is this shit, on my lemmy? fuck them both is the only sane conclusion, not "it's a business so it's fine"

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[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 120 points 2 years ago

Fuck Wholefoods

None of my homies shop at Wholefoods

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You don't shop at Whole Foods because of it's policies.

I don't shop at Whole Foods because I don't believe in paying $4 for a apple.

We are not the same.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 49 points 2 years ago

It’s $6, grandpa.

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[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 82 points 2 years ago
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[-] azerial@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 2 years ago

It's not "Whole Foods" it's Amazon. Whole Foods died when Amazon bought them.

source: I'm from Austin and know several people that work there from employees to management. They killed everything that was whole foods.

[-] mookulator@mander.xyz 31 points 2 years ago

Pretty sure Whole Foods had shitty conservative executives back then too didn’t they?

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[-] pthaloblue@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago

It's been like that about Whole Foods since the 80s. John Mackey is a libertarian fuckhead and it's been a series of people realizing it ever since.

They hired union busters all the time.

In the 10's he tried to sell his book "conscious capitalism" on the shelves. Surprise surprise, no one bought it.

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Why does anybody think it’s a good idea to wear political statements into work? Just do your job.

Imagine if you ran a business and one of your customer-facing employees showed up in a MAGA hat. You’d probably want them to leave it at home right?

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 years ago

You think equal rights and fair treatment for all is “politics”?

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[-] Blake@feddit.uk 27 points 2 years ago

Either employees should be allowed to wear personal accessories to express themselves, or they should not. How do you define what is and is not political?

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[-] unphazed@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Except BLM and LGBTQ isn't political. It's Civil Rights. This isn't Dem vs GOP, it's ethical vs unethical treatment of humanity. Unfortunately certain individuals in the US portray this as political, but that's so they can use it as leverage for their goals. You wouldn't say "stop beating a slave and set him free" because your political affiliation says so, you say it because you see a human being suffer.

[-] chatokun@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

So, we can ban crosses? I'm obviously going a bit far, but both somewhat touch on the way people believe rights should be secured, and both involve human rights (one to free expression of religion, another to life and fr33dom from unfair treatment in general). Both make statements to others that others may find uncomfortable, depending on their beliefs.

…yes? Why shouldn’t a business have the right to ban their employees from wearing a cross? Go work somewhere else if wearing a cross is that important to you…

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

is lemmy being brigaded? seriously, what the fuck is this. "just do your job" is never an adequate response to worker complaints

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[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 49 points 2 years ago

iiuc, wf is not saying that customers can't wear BLM masks. They don't want to show a political stance and, as a result, don't want BLM masks worn by their employees, because that could be misconstrued as wf or Amazon taking a political stance. I can understand that. However, they, then, must ban ALL shows of politics in their store by them and their employees, and that includes LGBTQIA+ stuff. Otherwise, they're just banning BLM stuff, which will be ~~mis~~construed (notice the crossed out 'mis') as them taking a political stance against black folks.

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[-] isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago

Being tired and thinking Bureau of Land Management made this very confusing at glance.

Also fuck the courts for that BS.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 18 points 2 years ago

Why is it "fuck the courts"? This whole thing is about what a worker can do while on the job... If a company doesn't want to be associated with something it should have a right to employ whatever restrictions on dress it wants. That's kind of the point of dress codes with companies to begin with.

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

dress code is also completely made up bullshit that has no reason to exist in the modern world

why does a company's right to "employ whatever restrictions on dress it wants" overrule the person's innate wish to express themselves?

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago

Time to start wearing a mask that says Union

[-] trias10@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago

I'm with Amazon on this, seems a reasonable ask for employees to not wear any political/cultural/social things at work with their official uniform.

[-] money_loo@1337lemmy.com 44 points 2 years ago

Guys is it Political to not want to get killed by the police or just get seen at the hospital when you’re having chest pains?

Interesting take you have there.

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[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

So if they’re banning BLM as political, do they have to be even handed and ban all political iconography?

Is a rainbow political? Obviously anything with an American flag is political, so those need to be banned. Anything like a cross obviously would be forbidden - necklaces would have to be tucked in and invisible. Christianity is far more of a political thing in the US than BLM, as it’s being used to specifically and actively drive legislation. Would they then have to ban employees from other religious dress, like wearing a hijab or yarmulke? I don’t recall Muslims or Jews passing legislation in the name of their religion at the national level, but do activities in Dearborn or Williamsburg count?

Are wedding rings heteronormative? They’re certainly both a cultural and a social thing. Makeup is also both cultural and social, and additionally potentially has gendered implications. If we ban rainbows, do we ban anyone wearing makeup or require everyone to do so, since they’re potentially signaling gender identity?

I'm going to start using GOP rhetoric and replace rainbow flag with wedding rings.

Wedding rings is woke propaganda.

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[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago

What a wild hill to die on.

[-] dropped_the_chief@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

In that case, the workers should wear union masks instead.

[-] yip-bonk@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago

Exsqueeze me? What the amazon fuck, WholeFoods.

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[-] jasondj@ttrpg.network 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Honesty, imo, shame on Amazon for not barring anything but solid-colored, patterned, or Bezos-Empire-Branded masks, explicitly, in their dress code.

I’m a (mostly) vegan, liberal AF, solidly middle-class, homeowner married millenial parent (i.e the portrait of a Whole Foods customer), and I agree with BLM, but I would be put off by any political or politicalized messaging in a supplier/customer relationship. I’m here for your general tao seitan and a TTLA…not for your influence.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 36 points 2 years ago

Saying that black people exist and should remain alive is not a political statement. Do you want to ban hats that say "veteran" too? Or maybe charity and cancer awareness logos?

Being a live black person is not a political act. Think about that when ordering some seitan and being "liberal AF", whatever that means.

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[-] SankaraStone@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

That Bill of Rights isn't for humans. It's for corporations.

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[-] Lowered_lifted@beehaw.org 19 points 2 years ago

When I worked at a big box store for years I wasn't allowed to wear my BLM shirt or anything "political" but my Trumper coworkers got away with wearing their Trump shirts or Let's Go Brandon shirts, and they even put Let's Go Brandon stickers up all aroubd the employee facing areas. If you told managers about it they addressed it as a dress code violation and regarded you as a snitch.

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