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[-] FlyLikeAMouse@feddit.uk 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Worth mentioning that this looks to be based on mean salaries rather than median so your real world percentages would likely be higher.

[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 35 points 1 year ago

The footnote explicitly says “median”. What makes you doubt that?

[-] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Calculating the UK out:

  • £799 for the phone
  • 2.91% of pay
  • Salary they calculated it at is £27,457

That sits abit lower than the median here in the UK but the mean is much higher

[-] bleistift2@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

The UK government says the median household income is 32,349£, the mean is 39,328£ in 2022. Data from 2020: the median was 29,900£, while the mean was 36,900£.

In both cases the median comes way closer to the £27,457 you calculated than the mean.

[-] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago
[-] rmi@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I assume it is based on net income, correct?

[-] theKalash@feddit.ch 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, for some reason electronics are one of the few items that basically cost the same in Switzerland as in the neighbouring countries, which make them fairly cheap in terms of buying power.

The food prices though ...

[-] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Homegrown problem

Importing food is made deliberately difficult and expensive in order to support Swiss agriculture.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-food-so-expensive-in-Switzerland

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Isn’t this just lowest median salary displayed a different way?

[-] usrtrv@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Sort of, they also use the local price. So tarrifs play a role.

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Is the cost of an iPhone in usd in all these different countries available in the same format?

[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its over 300 dollars more expensive in Denmark than in the US...

1115 dollars here

800 msrp in the US

[-] accideath@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Although, the US price is without tax, while the danish price probably is (can only speak for Germany but to my knowledge, this is the same for all of Europe). Doesn’t make up the entire difference but at least some of it.

[-] Potato_in_my_anus@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

And all the Applefanboys will be like "shut up and take my money".

[-] Iwasondigg@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

And all the colored girls say doo do doo doo do doo doo doo

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I think baby shark says that one

[-] citrusface@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It never occurred to me to look at things I buy as a percentage of my yearly salary and now I am terrified.

[-] mwalimu@baraza.africa 8 points 1 year ago

Interesting seen this way.

Word of note though. Salaries are quiet spread out. The people likely to buy new iPhones are likely people earning top 1% of salaries in most countries in Africa.

If this viz is focusing on average salary, then it is a general description and should not be compared to other countries with different income spreads (min-max). It can be quite deceptive. Upper middle class in a place like Kenya or Myanmar live a far more better life overall than say lower middle class folk in the US.

[-] rdy97@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Would also be interesting to see this series with a “net income” type of divisor (as opposed to “revenue” for the sake of analogy) to adjust for differences in CoL

[-] mookulator@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Would this look any different if it displayed average salary instead of iPhone price as a percentage of average salary?

[-] ntzm@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes because items are priced differently in different countries

[-] 1984@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

On top of what the other comment said, median is used, not average.

[-] Reverendender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want the better camera and larger screen, but I do not want to pay full price. Verizon won’t subsidize it for me because I am still “paying off” the “free” iPhone 13 they gave me when I traded in my pretty new iPhone 11. The “free” consists of them billing me $22 a month, and them paying that charge themselves on the same bill. I’m sure there are explanations for how this benefits them, but I struggle to understand this Rube Goldberg billing strategy.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

You should read contracts before you sign them.

[-] Reverendender@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I’m not saying I feel swindled, I’m saying I find the whole thing really odd.

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

They can’t sell you an expensive data plan unless you have a phone to use it. Gimmie phones require contracts and are limited to a subset of plans.

[-] rolaulten@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

Telecos make minimal amounts on the hardware - its all in the batshit insane service costs. To give an (out of date ) example, back when ATT was getting rid of contracts I talked with some people who knew the ins and outs. On the contract model, the first 6 months paid for the device subsidy and the network, the last 18 months was pure profit. They where all super excited about the financial gains of no longer needing to do phone subsidies, but still have the customer locked in for 2+ years.

[-] Reverendender@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That’s a good point. Profit margins on my $90 a month phone plan must be insane. That said, my home 5G internet is only $35 a month, so I’m not doing that bad.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Correct. The profit margin on your $90 data plan. Is roughly $60-$80 depending on your actual usage.

Your 5g internet is closer to actual cost.

Having a fixed point device is cheaper to service.

[-] icedterminal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This information reflects the current contract terms Verizon offers to everyone.

iPhone is $899 + tax. Verizon pays Apple what you pay for the iPhone. You sign a contract for 36 months that states you'll pay Verizon a monthly installment without interest.

As for the "free" phone, it really can be free. Based on their own internal metrics is what makes you eligible. Accounts the system has flagged for fear of losing (retention), good standing (no missed payments), long time customers (loyalty), new customers, or when there is an abundance of stock and a new model is set to release. The catch is that you're on the hook for the price of the phone if you upgrade early or want to cancel your line. The average rep is not letting you upgrade because the system says no. A manager can override but if they do, you lose the credit. Your next bill will include the price of the phone. They're still making money off you in the long term whether or not the phone is free. It's calculated business.

[-] tidaL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It could be a tax thing, move some of their expenses to a different year? Or they were able to negotiate leasing from the supplier, instead of paying up front they use the money to invest in the company or invest it / stock buybacks.

I'm not a finance guy or have any special knowledge. Above is pure speculation.

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