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[-] Scoopta@programming.dev 114 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Assembly being obsolete has to be the funniest joke in here. It fundamentally never will be even if its use is niche

[-] el_twitto@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago

...and C++ being obsolete is the second funniest.

[-] Ziglin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

It is clearly surpassed by C though this chart seems to have missed that fact.

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[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 87 points 1 month ago

How are you defining "Obsolete" vs "Nu"?

e.g. Brainfuck from 1993 is all the way to Nu, while D (2001) and Rust (2012) are less "Nu"?

[-] lena@gregtech.eu 37 points 1 month ago

Also, what the hell is "nu" supposed to mean?

[-] Mika@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 month ago
[-] subterfuge@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

OP probably lived through the mid-1990s rise of “nu-metal” bands like Linkin Park

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[-] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

AKA: How to annoy a bunch of computer nerds very quickly....

Make one for Linux distros next!!!

[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

By being wildly wrong you mean?

[-] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

You say "wildly wrong", they say "incentivizing engagement".

[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago
[-] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Precisely. Getting people upset is the foremost technique to farm engagement on social media. Sites such as Facebook even deliberately altered their algorithms to show content that will anger readers because it works so well to keep them invested.

Engagement bait is omnipresent and really obvious once you learn to spot it - even something as innocuous as one or two "accidental" typos in a meme to get people into the comments section.

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[-] moomoomoo309@programming.dev 47 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the axes on this are weird, why would the opposite of a systems language be a toy language? And why is Lua, a very popular and commonly used language in tons of stuff, a "toy"? And Lua is a nu Lang? It's older than Java, maybe it just feels newer because each release isn't necessarily backwards compatible?

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 month ago

Also Python as a toy lang and somehow more "nu" than Java despite Java being younger?

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[-] rooroo@feddit.org 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It wouldn’t be a good compass if nobody had strong issues with it:

  1. System vs Toy is not opposed to each other. Should have been system vs abstract or useful vs toy or whatever
  2. Where LISP? Best language missing makes graph bad

Edit: before people tell me there’s already ‘obsolete’ on the graph, no, there’s loads of obsolete languages that are still useful, and many more new languages that are either built for fun or not used for sad or good reasons.

Edit2: I’m also halfway sure that brainfuck is older than rust (but don’t wanna look it up). But if that’s true your axis mean several things at once anyway and you should feel bad (not really though).

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I literally opened it looking for Lisp and dismissed the whole thing when I realized its not there

[-] expr@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Haskell's also not there. I was ready to criticize any quadrant it was put in heh. But that's probably mostly because the axes are kinda bad.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 1 month ago

If everything written in those "obsolete" languages suddenly disappeared, the whole world would go dark.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

That doesn't stop them from being obsolete, it just means that people who have the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality can get fucked.

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[-] svcg 34 points 1 month ago

SQL isn't a toy language, it's a domain specific language.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

How is C or assembly obsolete when they are literally everywhere is beyond me

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 month ago

C is more obsolete than Rust. Coding directly in assembly is rare. Beyond that it's more subjective.

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The C which is an integral part of every linux kernel on every computer and server running linux as the OS and all the embedded systems everywhere and almost all the performance critical parts of python libraries?

I won't have much to say about assembly since don't use it but far as I know low level parts of OS such as bootloader likely still uses assembly not to also mention embedded systems.

As long as both of these exist in embedded systems, it is just statistically weird to call it obsolete even in regards to other languages.

For instance data scientists majorly use python, but python critically depends on C and devices they use critically depend on C and assembly. Can you then really say what they do does not depend on C and assembly and python is more widely used?

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[-] Aquaphobi@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 month ago

And I bet this is based in opinion and not any sort of scientific understanding because you put assembly as an obsolete language…

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[-] radish 25 points 1 month ago

Curious how you decided what goes where, I'd hardly consider SQL a "Toy Lang" as opposed to a "System Lang"

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[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago

Did you just note Typescript, a superset of JavaScript that needs to be compiled into it, as closer to the system?

Also does it technically constitute a language? That feels like a stretch too.

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[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

How is cobol toy wasn't it made for military?

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 20 points 1 month ago

COBOL is about as far from a "toy" as I can imagine. Almost everything corpo runs on it at some level.

[-] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

And almost no one writes it for fun.

[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 month ago
[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

Outside the chart. Somewhere far above the image

[-] josefo@leminal.space 15 points 1 month ago

ngl I'm pretty mad right now

[-] Awkwardparticle@programming.dev 14 points 1 month ago

Why is it missing Haskell?

[-] goatinspace@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago
[-] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How is Lua further down along the Nu Lang axis than Go, Rust and Nim?

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[-] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 11 points 1 month ago

This is a very bad chart:

  • I don't understand what Toy Lang, Nu Lang or even System Lang mean
  • How are C and Assembly obsolete?
  • How is C++ more obsolete than D or Go?
  • PHP still powers a large portion of the internet, certainly not a "Toy Lang"
  • Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?

Downvoting.

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[-] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago
[-] lime@feddit.nu 10 points 1 month ago

i like how you've managed to include just a single non-procedural language, and it's the most interesting one by far, and you're calling it obsolete. says a lot.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

I don’t get what toy lang means?

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[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

Yes, SQL is but a toy language. It probably will never make it into production.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

As a Ruby fan I’m just happy to be included for a change

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 month ago

Was it a deliberate choice to leave JavaScript off entirely?

[-] alt_xa_23@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

ECMAScript is included, which is the official JavaScript standard

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