Bridge set up between Matrix and Discord : lemmyworld

[-] BourneHavoc@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago

This is really cool!

[-] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's super neat letting everyone talk with everyone. Reminds me of the old IRC days! ❤️

[-] Ferris@infosec.pub 4 points 2 years ago

bitlbee & Janus!

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[-] greenmarty@lemmy.world 65 points 2 years ago

It seem idea of fedderating has spread even beyong feerated network. It's good thing. Sort of antimonopolisti.

[-] duviobaz@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago

Discord should be abandoned as it's not in the fediverse and especially because it's not open source. This platform should never be used a an official place for one's own platform.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We are not a bastion of Open Source software. We use it yes, support it yes. There are plenty of things we use FOSS for but we have zero obligations to lock us down to only use FOSS. We use what is convenient and try to listen to the needs of our users.

There is lemmy.world, there is mastodon.world, there is a matrix space and synapse server. Then there is calckey.world a firefish server and I probably forget a few other things that are hosted by @ruud@lemmy.world.

And then yes, there is a discord server.

I think @ruud@lemmy.world and our infra team do PLENTY for the foss community by hosting all of these services, making them available and filing bug reports. They are even in touch with a lot of developers on different foss projects.

[-] Shazbot@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Don't forget your manpower is limited. No one is a lemmy.world employee and people need sleep. That leaves 8 hours in a day for literally everything else a person needs/wants to do. Having one service that just works is a load off an all volunteer team's back.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

We have people working for Lemmy World around the clock. Most of those services do not require a lot of maintenance once they are set up and configured. Lemmy itself is the biggest PITA but that's why we have a big team. So besides that we try to listen to the community and what they want and if it's possible we will do our best to make it happen. And as I said in my other reply, we will choose what is convenient over what is FOSS.

[-] FLX@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Bullshit. You should use the platform where most of your users are. And the users are on discord and do not give a single shit about open source.

[-] Blurghglurgh@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

This is the truth. Do people not have friends that mainly use mainstream services or are people just elitist about open source? This just sucks, because this kind of toxicity really drives normal users away from open source when more people should be driven to it.

[-] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

For us it's about a community where we take care of our users and provide a environment to foster interesting and respectful conversation. Software is just a means to a end.

[-] iso@lemy.lol 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why not just use Reddit then? Its simple and all users are there.

[-] FLX@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Use it for what ?

Not the same thing, I would use both anyway.

Especially for a company or a public project, you want your content indexed and keep the control. If you don't open a subreddit or sublemmy someone would do it.

For a chat, not the same thing. You want a discord to speak to your users, and a selfhosted matrix to manage your employees and private stuff

[-] iso@lemy.lol 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The reason people use Lemmy is because Reddit has a monopoly and does stupid things. How confident can we be that Discord won't do this? I'm sure they will because they are a for-profit company. So why don't we start from a platform that power belongs to the user? It is also tragicomic that a platform like Lemmy.world does this.

For your argument; I don't agree. I think Matrix has sufficient features for this job.

[-] FLX@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It has the features (not sure about that), but it has not the users...

I agree with you but it's just not how it works. Or else nobody would be using mac os or google products.

Also currently, almost nobody want/can/care about selfhosting.

[-] iso@lemy.lol 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There are definitely pros/cons. I'm not a FOSS monster. I would just expect a platform whose reason for existence is big corps to be more devoted in this regard.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

How are we not devoted? We are devoted to our users, not to the FOSS only mantra. I see you run your own instance, I suggest you run that one the way you want it and we'll do our thing here.

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[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

When you’re constantly getting attacked and having issues, sometimes you need to do stuff you don’t want to do, just to be able to get stuff done.

In a perfect world I think devs wouldn’t want to use Discord, but it’s one of the only options that won’t be constantly taking down with attacks.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

What has Discord anything to do with any attacks, or preventing any of them?

[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

If lemmy is being attacked, mods need a platform to coordinate.

Discord has DDOS protection through their hoster, which was the primary means of attacks on lemmy.

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[-] GONADS125@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

How are they supposed to make announcements if the site is down?.. That was the whole point when there were so many attacks/site outtages.

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[-] Xylinna@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Plus Matrix is something that is still new to people and some users are more comfortable with Discord. Many users are still adjusting to the concept of Lemmy and how federation works. Fortunately this bridge will help the two groups connect to each other and maybe in the future we can move to only using Matrix.

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[-] ballzovsteel@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago

What is this for someone who has no idea?

[-] kill_dash_nine@lemm.ee 88 points 2 years ago

Two different, incompatible chat services exist - Discord and Matrix. This allows users of either service to post to a channel that has been connected on each side and messages are basically cross posted between the two, allowing users on each service to almost chat like they are all on the same channel despite being on two different chat services.

[-] ballzovsteel@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

Thanks! That’s nifty!

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Thinking of it as two different rooms in a party being connected so they can all be involved in the same conversation.

[-] dhruv@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Looks like a bot that sends messages between through chat platforms

[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] antik@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago

There's:

For now I stick with Element. It's just seems to be the most feature-rich of them.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

I recommend fluffychat to most people because it's simple and straightforward. I use Element because it's fully featured and a bit more complex. So choose your poison

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I would also recommend fluffy chat to people because in addition to that it's also one of the only ones to support multiple accounts, an important feature for element because simply switching back and forth between accounts isn't feasible on a service with end-to-end encryption where you have to maintain a single login else lose your keys and prior encrypted messaging history.

[-] Anemervi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Official client list https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/

[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Element is decent. Started playing around with Fluffy which also seems good.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago

i like cinny because it's the most discord like

[-] Frays6142@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I've personally been using Element and love it. I have a private matrix server for my family to use. Some of the members of the family have also loved FluffyChat.

[-] PDFuego@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Since it's been mentioned here but nobody's said anything else about it yet, Beeper is nice because it connects a bunch of different apps and everything syncs instantly between PC and mobile. I personally use it for Matrix, a couple of Discord servers, Messenger (for those friends who won't leave) and SMS.

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[+] Pixelle@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] clara@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago

this might be a good place for me to reach out into the void

i'm interested in migrating two of my servers over to a matrix server, but i also want to back-copy all the old messages to the matrix client.

does a matrix bridge do all this copying? i.e, if i was to setup a discord-matrix bridge, allow messages to sync, and then disconnect the bridge, does the matrix server then have a copy of all the old messages? it doesn't have to match to the old users or anything, i'm just interested in having the content migrate over.

this is currently the biggest hurdle for me, because one of my servers is a private family discord, and i really don't want to have to explain to my mum that "all the content of the last 4 years is gone" 😅

[-] Im_old@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Short answer: yes. Longer answer: I have a matrix server with a whatsapp bridge. If I remove the connection between WhatsApp and matrix, I can still see a the contacts and messages (of WhatsApp) in matrix.

If you have questions reach out, no problem.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

But it will only bridge messages that are sent AFTER you created the bridge. It looks like he's asking to copy the complete history of those discord channels over to matrix.

[-] clara@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago

i do have a question, sure

for the avoidance of doubt, you are saying that a matrix bridge can copy all previous messages over from a discord server, to a matrix server, even the messages made before the creation of the bridge? i.e, transfer the entire conversation log over to the matrix server, going back all the way to the first message in a channel?

actually, phrasing this another way, i just caught myself in the XY problem. what i need really, is a copy of a given discord server's content, onto a fresh matrix server. bridge or no bridge. is there any way to (broadly) copy and paste the content of a discord channel over to a matrix server, one time only. i know how to extract the discord content using the discord chat log tool, tokens etc. so, say i have one of those html files with the full chatlog and contents - how do i put that into a matrix server, and have it roughly readable? (if that's possible)

thank you for your patience, i have tried search engines for months with no clear answers

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