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[-] Weslee@lemmy.world 89 points 2 years ago

Alternative heading; Greedy CEOs on their 5 holiday mansion refusal to pay living wages could disrupt EV rollout.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago

I don’t think many environmentalists are like, “My dream is a car-dominated society but electric.” It’s an improvement, to be sure, but I feel like every (realistic) environmentalist would prefer trains and trolleys to planes and cars.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

This seems like one of those situations where every leftist is like, “I think about unions, transportation, and housing.” and the media somehow decides the left is hellbent on forcing people to attend sensitivity training in Smart Cars.

[-] rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 years ago

This reminded me of a person online talking about how they didn’t understand why tree-huggers appreciated wind power despite the bird strike numbers - well because climate change itself is a much bigger fish!

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Or also because of the bird strike numbers. I believe they are quite low.

Many such complaints were based on an old wind farm in Altamont Pass that did have a serious problem. However it was a mountain pass on a migratory bird route and the towers were open framework with plenty of spots for roosting. Once we stopped those two things, bird losses dropped precipitously.

I believe people making those complaints have also lost perspective. My support for anything to further reduce the remaining bird losses is not inconsistent with the belief that we already well into a better spot.

People making those complaints also seem unable to expand their minds to the huge bird loss from the polluted air pr if we didn’t

[-] PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Most people making those complaints at this point are bad-faith conservatives.

[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

EV cars are just a way to keep the "happy motoring" society going with a veneer of environmentalism.

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[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 45 points 2 years ago

Why should we compromise on labor rights in favor of environmentalism? The latter wouldn't be such a problem if the former had been taken care of decades ago.

[-] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago

EVs don't save the environment, they save the car industry.

[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

EV != car. And even those have a use case. Having good EVs is necessary to wean off fossil fuels.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

No one thing 'saves' the environment, it's beyond fucked at this point but EVs sure as shit is part of the solution and you can piss off with your perfection being the enemy of good stance here.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I honestly don't get some people where they constantly want to pit everyone and everything against each other. Honestly it's not some stupid zero sum game here.

[-] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago

If everyone got along, the republican party wouldn't exist. Their power is division of the people.

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[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 36 points 2 years ago

Environmentalists support it because they support workers rights. Also, if you really care for the environment you know that EVs are not the solution and will never be the solution for the environment, just the car companies.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Bullshit that EVs aren't part of the climate solution. Cars will never go fully away, suburbs will never go fully away, rural areas where food is grown will never go away and EVs and green transportation tech needs to continue to advance and be part of the climate solution.

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

Rural areas could be not car-centric

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Mass transit isn't going to plow and plant a a field there buddy.

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago

What does that have to do with that, friend? Car doesn't do it either, specialised equipment does. We are talking about people moving around, not working equipment.
The fact that you work on a field or whatever doesn't mean that your village can't have a bus route and your town can't have a tram line

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

One way you're another, you're going to need semis.

[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

We are talking about people moving around, not working vehicles.
But also, if you have a good rail network you kinda don't need that many semis, if any. Specialised small vans will do the trick.

[-] somePotato@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 years ago

A more honest headline:

Our corporate overlords don't like unions and environmentalists, so we're gonna pit those groups against each other.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

A strike means less cars period. Environmentalists would be in favor of that.

[-] Thepinyaroma@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

And in a crazy perfect world maybe even infrastructure for people walking, biking, and taking public transportation.

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[-] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No shit? A strike would disrupt everything. That's kind of the point. This article is pure propaganda, appealing to environmentalists, techies, or whoever fancies EVs in an attempt to weaken the union's efforts to seek reasonable wages.

Shame on politico for sneaking this through by masquerading it as a blight against improving the environment.

[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago

Environmentalism doesn't care that much about EVs, because road infrastructure is bad, but when driving really is necessary, EVs are better. Environmentalism supports the strike, because has since long realised that workers struggle similar fights, would be a great ally and might produce popular support for environmentalism.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Environmentalists care very much about EVs.

[-] simpleTailor@startrek.website 12 points 2 years ago

Yes. Specifically trains and ebikes.

[-] mrpants@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago

Not personal vehicles no. Half the pollution of a car doesn't come out the tail pipe. EVs are a huge problem. Additionally the amount of EVs we'd need to make to compensate for all the cars out there is gigantic.

There is no good environmental argument for every household to continue to own a personal vehicle and to maintain and build the insane amount of infrastructure they need.

tldr; trains, buses, bikes unless there's a specific need like for manual labor or going to very low population places

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[-] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Strikes are caused by management.

[-] theuberwalrus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

While true, management is doing the bidding of shareholders, so the ultimate responsibility lies with them.

[-] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Shareholder are disrupting EV rollout.

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[-] Alenalda@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Are they implying that these corps would stop or slow making ev because some workers want more pay? Oh yeah you plebs want to be able to survive why do I destroy the planet see how you like that /s. Like we cant do both and it's zero sum.

[-] Zummy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Auto workers want to be paid a living wage rather then having all the money going to billionaire executives? Weird, it’s almost like the workers want a roof over their head and food to eat.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Right. That's why record profits have accelerated EVs. /s. Don't fall for that nonsense.

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