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[-] RushLana 117 points 1 week ago

Most common route is atlanta to orlando

Why isn't there high speed rail ????? The distance is only 700km ( 440 miles ) a french TGV can easily go over 300 km/h ( 185 mph ) so a direct line would at most be 2h30, given a plane boarding time it's very competitive, conveninent and at a fraction of the operating cost.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 55 points 1 week ago

Because of the air industry (and car industry) lobbies.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"The Okefenokee Swamp is a shallow, 438,000-acre (177,000 ha), peat-filled wetland straddling the Georgia–Florida line in the United States. A majority of the swamp is protected by the Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge and the Okefenokee Wilderness. The Okefenokee Swamp is considered to be one of the Seven Natural Wonders of Georgia and is the largest "blackwater" swamp in North America." -Wikipedia

Add to this Indian Reservation land, National Park/Preserve/ Wildlife Refuge land, the Everglades, other swamp/marshland, etc and you start to see that there's several environmental challenges to a rail system from Georgia to Orlando Florida.

[-] RushLana 53 points 1 week ago

According to gmaps there is a 4 lane highway between atlanta and orlando, I'm pretty sure you can squeeze train tracks there.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Yup. And there are several other 2 lane roads connecting Florida and Georgia to the west of the swamp. A direct line from Jacksonville to Atlanta would be challenging, but that's not what we're talking about here.

Orlando to Atlanta is already a direct land route, and you see Georgia plates in Florida and Florida plates in Georgia regularly.

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[-] RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

If the government or the billionaires really wanted to they’d just do it and fuck the Indians on repeat like every other time, it’s just a talking point and it’s not going to be”ez money” like the keystone pipeline. I wish our government gave two shits about treaties with not only the natives but anybody.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

So what you're saying is you advocate for the government to clear swampland (fuck the environment I guess), and continue to disenfranchise Native American peoples because you want high speed rail so badly?

Yeah. Yeah. I know you didn't say that. But that's what can be extrapolated from your assertion that the government and billionaires could if they wanted to. Don't normalize this shit. It's wrong for the government to seize things that don't belong to it regardless of the purpose they plan to use if for.

[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

How many are a final destination? Orlando is a big hub for planes coming from South America and Atlanta is the biggest US hub, so probably a lot of people flying that route are connecting and wouldn't make a lot of sense to get a plane ticket and then a train and then another flight

[-] RushLana 15 points 1 week ago

It would absolutly make sense ? Especially if there are night trains that go slower and can help you get rest without paying an hotel.

[-] criticon@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

It makes sense if you are going to Atlanta or Orlando, not if you are just connecting somewhere else

Don't get me wrong, I love trains and I'd love to see a big network of high speed trains

[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago

You can have a high speed train station at the airport as well. A lot of European big hubs have that.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 105 points 1 week ago

But how can you expect me to think about things like this, when there's a possibility of someone with genitals that don't look like mine in my restroom?

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Have you ever seen a ducks penis? Just be glad whatever genitals you have isn't a ducks penis. It's so fucked up that they don't even GET a bathroom. They just pee in the drinking water. They pee in lakes. Ponds. Your bathtub. They pee anywhere they want, any time they want.

Thats why they all hang out at parks, and the government doesn't stop them. Think about it man. You don't see lions and tigers and bears at the park......because Disney owns the rights to The Wizard of Oz. So you can't see those animals for free! They gotta get locked up in jail and then they call it a zoo, and charge you $22.50 per adult, and $12 per child under 12. Except on Mondays where it's free if you're a local resident of the county.

But they don't do that with ducks. You know what else Disney owns? The Mighty Ducks. Darkwing Duck.

And NOBODY is paying money to see those properties. So they don't arrest the ducks, because theres no profit there. Follow the money. It all leads back to those crazy duck penis's, and nobody wants to admit that Howard the Duck is officially a Marvel character, living in the same MCU as Spiderman, and Ironman, and the X-Men.

THATS why ducks don't have bathrooms, while humans fight over things like trans athletes being allowed to play sports in college, and throwing green dildos at female basketball players to promote cryptocurrencies.

We live in the dumbest timeline.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Except on Mondays where it's free if you're a local resident of the county.

I read this and immediately knew who posted it.

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[-] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 69 points 1 week ago

Could any kind soul provide a TL;DW for those of us who can't watch a video (for whatever reason)?

[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 136 points 1 week ago
  • Tickets for flights are taxed at 7.5% to pay for the FAA
  • Average flight with many passengers pays over $2,300 per flight
  • Private jets don't have tickets to be taxed, are only taxed on fuel
  • Private jets pay an average of about $60 in FAA fees
  • Private jets take up about 7% of the FAA's resources, but only make up a fraction of a percent of the revenue
  • Thus when you pay the FAA fees on your economy class ticket, you're subsidizing operating the FAA for private jet flights, that don't pay enough to cover their costs.
[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

So not really the flights themselves, just the regulation overseeing the flights.

[-] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The FAA gathers taxes per person, not per plane. So a commercial flight has every single passenger paying, while a private jet only pays for a few people. That’s a difference of about $2300 for a commercial flight, vs about $60 for a private jet. Private flights make up about 7% of air travel, but contribute less than a tenth of a percent in taxes. But the air traffic controllers aren’t handling individual people; They’re handling planes. So private jets fund the ATC a lot less than commercial flights, even though they have just as much need.

This video says Canada taxes planes based on weight rating and distance traveled. So larger planes that can carry heavier loads (more people) get taxed more, while smaller planes (private jets) get taxed less. But they’re proportionally paying the same in taxes, instead of the rich people paying less.

[-] tychosmoose@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago

There are long standing problems with this. Not sure of the exact point of the video, but here is an older article with some info: https://www.newsweek.com/why-are-private-jets-being-subsidized-you-and-me-641890

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Corporate jets use almost $1 billion of air traffic control resources, they only contribute around $200 million in fuel taxes, letting commercial passengers pick up their tab.

Generally, corporate jets are exempt from the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) air transportation tax, a fee on the number of passengers and amount of cargo transported, which funds 95 percent of ATC operations.

The maintenance and improvement of the ATC system's equipment and infrastructure is paid through the Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF), which is made up of excise taxes collected on aviation fuel, passenger transport and use of international air facilities.

[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

It is in the wrong format anyway. Stop vertical video syndrome.

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 54 points 1 week ago

like everything in the 70s and 80s, airline deregulation was a stain that never should have happened

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

And nothing will be fixed while "the left" in the US still worship and lionize Carter, who started all the mess.

Yes, Trump is literally worse, but both parties are two sides of the same coin. You cannot save the country by electing neo-liberals, it'll always be further right than before.

[-] baines@lemmy.cafe 18 points 1 week ago

Trumps in the process of nazi round two and your dumb ass is over here still throwing around both sides same

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

Interesting claim, the Great Man Theory of Neoliberalism.

Every lefty I know certainly can't stop talking about how much they love Carter's 1976 political platform, which everyone remembers and cares about.

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

So me saying don't lionize Carter because he was a terrible president is the great man theory, when I'm literally saying Trump is not a special kind of unique evil...

You either don't understand the words you're using, or you're purposefully being dishonest.

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i actually was on wikipedia looking up an article on eastern airlines (i was watching ernest saves christmas and old things make me go down wikipedia rabbit holes) and was shocked it started in the 70s under him

[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago

Stop vertical video syndrome.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

Most people watch videos on a phone where the vertical format is more convenient.

[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

When I watch videos on my phone, I rotate my phone so the videos are oriented in the best way for videos to be oriented.

Not only are vertical videos trash, they often come packages with modified players that are equally trash. Thankfully (for now at least) you can fix YouTube by switching /shorts/ to /watch/ in the URL.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

Most people don't do that. The format of the videos is going to adjust to its public. Short videos meant for TikTok, stories or shorts, are going to have a vertical format because that's the way most people will enjoy them.

[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

Is it that people enjoy it, or is it that these shit platforms are shovelling it en masse so people are forced to adopt it? There is nearly 0 need for vertical videos

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's no conspiracy here.

It's far more comfortable to watch vertical videos in a phone instead of having to rotate it constantly for each video.

It's also more comfortable to record videos vertically using a phone, which makes a direct translation to post a vertical video in a platform that's phone oriented.

A platform like tiktok would be really shitty with horizontal videos. It's clearly a platform designed around vertical videos and people enjoy it, it works just fine.

[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wierd, I find it equally comfortable to hold the phone in either orientation, but way easier to record when holding the phone horizontally since I can get more in the shot at once. As an added bonus, I can also enjoy it just as well (or more) on a regular screen. Again, vertical videos are a waste.

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[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I'm afraid that fight is lost 😞

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[-] crandlecan@mander.xyz 16 points 1 week ago

Damn, that's something else altogether

[-] spongebue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Ehhhh. I wasn't very impressed with this video. For one thing, it felt more like a compilation of aviation-related clips rather than any kind of meat and potato that actually described the issue.

When they finally did, they started with the parking ramp analogy. If that truly is a good analogy, it's not so much that a "fancy" car would pay less, it's that a smaller car would. Pretty much any parking lot, ferry, etc that can hold different sizes of cars will charge more for a bus or semi truck than a regular car.

They also mention that fuel taxes are higher for small planes. I would love to know more about that, because that really could smooth things over but there aren't really any details (also $2400 for [let's just say] a 150-passenger 737 vs $60 for a private jet may scale similarly per passenger)

Finally, they very briefly bring up how Canada's system is much better because it uses a factor of weight and distance... Wouldn't that just mean those giant airliners pay more?!?

Bonus: let's not kid ourselves into thinking that American Airlines is public transit. It's still a for-profit corporation and if you lower a plane's FAA taxes, it'll directly benefit them.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Per-passenger is a stupid way to charge this tax because the service provided is per-plane.

The math in this video checks out, even when spreading the costs over all the passengers of a larger plane.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

They weren’t saying the tax should be levied per passenger, only that the tax structure as it stands probably already scales well if you calculate per passenger.

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[-] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

The fuel rates are currently about $0.22/gallon, and are going up to $1.06/gallon over 5 years, but even that wouldn't put them on par with commercial flights (they pay 0.6% of the fees, but use 7% of resources, $1.06 divided by $0.22 gets you 4.81x the current 0.6%, which is still 2.9% of the fees, while using 7% of FAA resources.)

So even with the current fuel rate increases, private jets would still be paying less than half of what they end up using.

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[-] twisted@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

But even if this tax was reduced or went away, what’s stopping the airlines from hiking up the price by that amount? Airlines are looking for any excuse to squeeze out more money from you. In that case you’d just be funding the airline execs’ private flights.

[-] CannedYeet@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

How would that even work? Commercial airlines and private jet operators are different entities.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

This is about taxes funding the FAA, and the implied conclusion of the video isn't that these taxes should be removed, but that they should be weighted more heavily towards private flights for the sake of fairness.

[-] ronigami@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

How is this fundamentally different from the “my kids don’t go to school so I shouldn’t have to pay property taxes” people? Relax it’s a public good, the FAA. Everyone benefits from a public good.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

The fundamental difference is the direction of the redistribution.

The capitalist system inherently distributes from poor to rich. With no state involved, a capitalist system strictly and always devolves into one person (or a very small group) owning everything and everyone else being owned by them. That's why we have states that do have redistribution systems that try to counteract that: We have progressive tax systems that tax the rich more than the poor to fund free (or at least subsidized) public good systems.

To get back to your example: The rich don't need free schools. Even without free public education, they would still be able to afford to send their kids to expensive private schools. A free school program is there to mostly benefit the poor.

Redistribution systems that redistribute from poor to rich on the other hand are inherently broken. The base economic system already does that redistribution from poor to rich, so allowing the rich to mooch even more off the system is not a good idea.

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