Article for context:https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870522/iphone-15-pro-max-thread-smartphones (Ik that I am talking about multiple companies when I refer to android companies but many singular companies make more innovations in the phone space compared to apple)
I'm surprised that this whole "android vs apple" thing is still going on...
At least it's not Windows vs. Apple anymore
Wish it was. The Linux community shitting on Windows is worse.
why is that? it's not punching down when its a billion dollar company
edit: no coherent thoughts then? just mindless downvoting? well you've convinced me with that persuasive logic.
it's genuinely concerning to see the microsoft stockholm syndrome in the wild, but on lemmy it's honestly baffling.
Sometimes it just comes down to preference. I like Linux a lot for systems where I need the low overhead. But on my gaming PC, where I don't have to worry as much about overhead, I prefer the convenience of not having to learn SSH commands or open source workarounds.
Microsoft is like the rich guy with the nice pool. Its looks nice. But then you learn they got rich by cutting corners and screwing over your friends. And are actively investing in making the public pool shit so they can grandstand their pool.
Noone is blaming you for going up to the rich guys pool to have a nice easy time. Or at least, I'm not defending the kind of linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that
But I equally believe it is right and fair for us to have the freedom to state the very valid reasons why we are choosing not to go up there.
Still though, this is conflating Windows and Microsoft. This conversation started about Linux users shitting on Windows, not Microsoft. I think Windows is decent at providing a relatively low effort experience while I also agree that Microsoft is guilty of all the typical practices of corporate greed.
I don't buy Microsoft products anymore for that reason, but I still use them (if you catch my drift).
it's hardly a conflation, this hostile modus operandi is baked into the windows product itself with malicious and intrusive features. i'm not sure if this is news to anyone, but those user-hostile features were added to windows by microsoft. and the best defense offered thus far for that is basically "most or all tech giants do it too" - yes, thankyou that's exactly our point. the fact that shipping this kind of abusive software has been normalised is part of the problem too.
i agree in as much as not everything about windows is bad. and it can be useful sometimes out of necessity. though its worth remembering that necessity may often be the result of hostility on microsoft's part, either past or present. so it's not really possible to have an honest conversation about what windows is, without an awareness of how microsoft has maliciously managed our perception of desktop operating systems in general. happy to explain what i mean by this in more detail if anyone's interested.
and also agreed, i'd never pay for it.
linux zealots who might blame you for choosing that
I'll defend them. Like pushing for vegan diets, solar energy, and the end of single use plastics. It's annoying, it's not fun but in the long run it's to make the world better for average people.
The ship has sailed there. Microsoft aren't going anywhere soon and in the long run they will continue to win.
There are plenty of good causes which I hypocritically agree with and don't put into practise, eating meat is bad for me and the planet but I'll still enjoy a steak without feeling like a villain believe it or not.
Blaming someone for choosing Microsoft is a dick move, Linux doesn't work for everyone (I.e. non tech people) so what should they (myself included) be doing instead in your opinion?
The whole system needs to fail before a company like Microsoft loses, if that happens great. But until then me want play new games, me not know Linux tech, me use bad guy company to enjoy me time. Most importantly, me don't feel bad for doing it.
Seriously though, I pick my battles and try to not be evil while doing so. Microsoft selling an extra copy of windows once every 10 or 15 years won't turn them into our all powerful overlords and it's the easiest way for me to enjoy my free time, and on balance I'm fine with that.
Hey, we gotta poop somewhere!
some is warranted, some is not, both sides have a copium dealer, mine is down the street from me.
I’d argue that all phone innovation has been pretty stagnant or even regressive lately. I think the only feature that’s been released by anyone lately that I’ve wanted my phone to have has been the magnet on the back to make mounts and wireless chargers less complicated. How it took these companies that long to put a magnet back there is beyond me. Then Apple “innovated” by removing the headphone jack so they could make more money selling wireless headphones after they bought Beats and for who knows what reason, all of the android phone makers eventually followed. I can see the use of a foldable screen, but I’m not buying one until it doesn’t add a permanent crease down the middle of my unfolded screen. If someone releases a privacy focused phone that’s not tied to Google with four years of guaranteed, timely updates, has a big enough screen with no notch, headphone jack, and magnet on the back they can have my money.
I could argue several reasons to avoid a folding phone. The crease isn't one of them. Yes, I feel it while swiping across the screen, but it's so unnoticeable while using the phone, it's a non-issue.
Mind elaborating on those reasons? I'm also a Fold owner and I love it more than any other phone I've ever owned. If there are cons that I'm missing, I'd like to know before I go buy another one of these in a year or two.
The Internal screen is fragile. It's softer than finger nails, so need to be careful about it. The screen protector doesn't last a year in most cases. The hinge can get debris in it that will start causing problems. It's narrow, but it's definitely a thick phone. It's heavy too. Software is a hit or miss on what can handle the screen basically changing size and shape on it.
That being said, I can't go back to using a normal phone. The large display is just too good to give up.
Why would I want a folding phone? I want my phone to be as rigid as possible.
Hiding the front cameras is the only real innovation I guess, but Oneplus managed it in 2019 with the 7 Pro so it's not exactly a recent innovation.
Cause having a tablet in your pocket is awesome and comes in useful regularly
Being able to use your phone with multiple screen sizes and formats depending on what you're doing.
Also: being able to put the phone at 90degs and use it as either a camera or flash light stand.
I'm carrying a tablet everywhere I go because I edit a lot of photos. A folding phone would save 400 grams in my sling
What the fuck is a thread radio
There's a new protocol for smart home devices called Matter, that let's them work across ecosystems (so for example smart lights set up with Google Home could be controlled through Apple HomeKit via Matter). Thread is part of how Matter devices communicate with each other (instead of e.g. WiFi or Bluetooth). The new iPhones can directly use Thread instead of needing another devices to act as a bridge to "translate" the commands
A fairly niche addition, but definitely not useless. And a big plus for those into smart home stuff
I think it's more useful than those glyphs on the nothing phone. They're just a gimmick to sell a mediocre mid-end phone
Eh not really if you're actually using mesh networked smart home devices that run on zigbee/thread/wave/matter or whatever you're using some kind of controller with one of those radios in it. Using your phone as the only controller basically means you'd only be able to control/talk to those devices when your phone is on and at home, so forget any kind of automations if you're not around. If you already have a controller, it's most certainly networked so having a matter radio in your phone is basically pointless.
Bring back physical keyboards!
yes please. I need that actual tacticle feedback, not just a stupid vibration whenever I touch something.
Why even keep it on?
My first two actions with a new phone are turning off haptic feedback and tap sounds. Don't need that annoying shit.
My dream phone is iPhone hardware with ability to run whatever OS you want like Raspberry Pi.
Iphone does have some cool, closed garden things, eg, airtags.
Yes. Android has alternatives, none of which are nearly as good as airtags.
Defending a product by trying to upsell with accessories has got to be the most Apple thing
I'd think of defending its accessories as things like; lightning/USB-C to 3.5mm jacks... which android phones also have.
At this point, airtags are all but a product unto themselves, except that you need an iphone to use them. But they are an incredibly cool product, which I can't use because I am not in the apple ecosystem (and haven't been since shortly after Steve Jobs kicked the can).
I could also point out that including LIDAR in their phones is cool, and has opened up new features and functions within various apps. You could also say that Crash Detection and Emergency SOS via satellite are "Killer Features" too.
But with all that said, attacking people over their opinions is very much a fanboy thing to do.
Okay, in all honesty I'm not trying to be hostile, but I get why it seems like I am. You may want to rethink the "product unto themselves except that you need" sentence. That's straight not how language works.
Android literally came out with a universal air tag system. Works the same as air tags, but you can go with any brand you want.
Plus the fact there's more Android devices out there, it's more useful.
And they backported the tracking feature in Google services, so old devices that don't get updates anymore will be able to use the new system.
Folding phones are flimsy bits of plastic-screened crap that are just as expensive as two separate, better phone and tablet. And many apps barely work anyway.
Glyph interface is a pointless gimmick.
Under-screen cameras produce terrible images.
There are lots of reasons to hate Apple, but none of these are.
I mean I'm on my fold 5 right now while watching a YouTube video and responding to messages at the same time... doesn't feel like a gimmack to me. In fact I kind of feel like it's going to be hard to ever go back to a single form factor phone.
Small iterative improvements vs big “innovation” failures?
All of the features mentioned above have had a minimum of two iterations (nothing phone 2 has a new glyph) and numerous internal test samples.
Let's not give the Android manufacturers too much credit for innovation. My 6 year old LG V20 has more features than anything coming out these days.