Literally the only thing I can agree with sunak on. Good.
It's just a distraction from the UK's anemic growth. Obviously he has done nothing that worked for the economy, and the conservatives have no ideas. The UK GDP has basically not grown since 2007.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=GB&start=2007
Not everything is a distraction tactic
This is. Conservatives were elected to help the economy in 2010 and have managed less than 2% growth since then. I have no idea why they weren't thrown out on their asses after Brexit, but maybe the British public love pain and misery?
Do you think someone from Central Office went out and sneakily set dogs on people to savage them and set the news agenda? Or is it just possible these the spate of attacks and subsequent uproar, with pressure that Something Must Be Done occurred without political machinations?
A total waste of time. Banning breeds has proven to be totally ineffective in the past. The common sense approach would be to make it mandatory to muzzle dogs over a certain size.
There are massive differences between implementing a ban on pit bulls in a single city (Denver) and across an entire nation (the UK). The US is such a mess of federal, state, county, etc. laws that it is difficult to enforce such a law, but in the UK, it’s much easier.
Honestly I’d go a lot further and ban all breeds with significant health issues as well, to be honest.
It is just as difficult and ineffective in the UK. They just breed in new types of dogs. The XL breed is a cross breed with a pit bull terrier which is already on a banned breed list.
I would be for banning breeds with health issues. I would also ban all dog shows that promote dog breed types into the bargain. You will never stop idiots who follow celebrities, but dog shows are an easy fix, and a major reason people buy pedigrees in the first place.
Absolutely agree with you about banning dog shows. I am sure that there are valid criticisms of breed specific bans, but the article you linked wasn’t very persuasive at all, it was really clearly biased and had many weak arguments. Of the various claims made, I looked deeper into a few of them and found that the article was quite misleading. For example, it mentions that the Netherlands repealed a pit bull ban, with the implication being that they instead treat all breeds equally… but that’s just not true, because the Netherlands still classified pit bulls as a dangerous breed, and dogs classed as dangerous need to go through state mandated testing or be euthanised, which is a lot more work and much more cruel than the UK’s dangerous dogs legislation.
I’m open to hearing good criticism from a perspective of improving outcomes but surely we can do better than that americentric article
Nah mate, these dogs are fucking disgusting freaks. I've been chased by one before - quite frankly, I don't give a fuck what your research says.
My point was that all dogs are dangerous. Selecting breeds shows total lack of understanding. It is how the dog is reared that causes the issues. Since you cannot evaluate that by looking at a dog then it makes more sense to add a safety device for all dogs.
"how it was reared"
You lost me there. These are breeds with an inherent nature to kill and maim. They're freaks, mutants, and now thankfully to be banned.
all dogs are dangerous
Okay, how many deaths are there due to Chihuahua? I will concede that it is perhaps biologically possible for them to bite off the finger of an infant, which could in theory be fatal, but the odds are pretty fucking slim.
Totally not a biased source, with no actual statistics or studies to back them up - ah right. We have much fewer dog attacks and especially fatal dog attacks in the UK than the US.
This report gives the opinions of expert behaviourists and consultants on the reasons why some dogs may be aggressive towards people. Of the 215 experts who responded, some 74% argued that breed was either not at all important or only slightly important, whilst an overwhelming 86% believed it was due to the way that the dog was brought up by its owner.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/90096/html/
The law on dangerous dogs refers to specific breeds of dog as ‘dangerous’. However, we believe that breed-specific legislation ignores the most important factors that contribute to biting incidents – primarily anti-social behaviour by irresponsible dog owners who train their dogs to be aggressive or do not train their dogs adequately.
https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/about-us/campaigns/dangerous-dogs-deed-not-breed/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/11/banning-some-dog-breeds-in-the-uk-wont-stop-attacks-on-humans - study in comments
There is a ton of research on the issue.
Data were gathered via owner report using an online survey […] advertised online (via Facebook and relevant dog/breed specific groups, Twitter, pet fora, via the UK Kennel Club”
Such science, very wow
Holy fuck lol
Opinions by "experts" are not actual science.
Curious to know what they intend to do with the Bully XLs currently owned legally.
Same as when they last banned a breed. They must all be registered, muzzled, and neutered. If not, fines/seizure and possible imprisonment of the owner.
Good.
There are no dangerous dogs, only scum bag abusive Humans.
Then why most of the attacks are by this breed?
At least partly because scumbags who want to abuse a dog until it's violent and dangerous don't buy shih tzus to start with. If you ban a breed because it's "dangerous" you'll see people defy it, evade it through hybridizing (which already happened, the bully xl is a hybrid of the already-banned bull terrier) or just start abusing and selectively breeding a different large breed until it's as violent as this breed. I'm not even necessarily against sunsetting this breed, it feels like we're in a situation where a lot of bad decisions we've made in the past have made this a good decision. But I think that there are a lot of core problems that won't be solved just by playing whack a mole with the current breed making headlines
Same reason Dobermans and Pit Bulls are the most abused Dogs in the US.
Finally. Took them long enough.
Now do pugs
Under dangerous dogs?
I assume you mean due to their health issues. Cant disagree. But I think it would be a Heck of a lot more complex to define breeds that suffer.
Seems like we need to implement dog licences instead. It takes skill to own a well trained dog. Then just make sure people who are miscreants are banned from owning them.
You know that dog licenses were just a tax on dog owners. There was no ‘fit and proper person’ test or requirement for training.
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