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[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 205 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Here's one way to fix this that might even overturn the law. Turn off Wikipedia in the UK. Put a big banner up on the homepage that says, we have turned off Wikipedia in your country because of your government. Here's how to use a VPN to access our content.

Edit: Make it apologetic and conciliatory. Like, we're sorry, we've had to disable Wikipedia in your region because of your government's draconian policies. If you would like to visit our content, please use a VPN. If you need help learning to use a VPN and then link to a here's how page

[-] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 77 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's illegal to recommend using a VPN or teach people how to use a VPN in order to get around these age-check laws.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 131 points 2 months ago

"It is illegal for us to recommend using services like a VPN to bypass these limits. We do recommend you ask your government why they don't want you to know about these services or have access to free educational content".

[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 60 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“We do not condone using a VPN to circumvent these restrictions. To make sure you will not accidentally use a VPN we’ve decided to make our article about VPN‘s the only one available in this country.“

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The wording on ofcom is "should not" not" must not". It's not illegal, they just don't want people to do it and want people to think that it is illegal.

[-] Morganica@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

👆They just need to add this as a disclaimer instead.

[-] TheChargedCreeper864@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago

Have a banner with information on why it is blocked, and have the only accessible page be of the Online Safety Act. Then, make that page list what counts as "(teaching) circumvention methods" and say that teaching others how to do those things is illegal. If anyone is truly interested in seeking knowledge and learning, they will be able to figure it out elsewhere

[-] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Imagine what will happen next, will they just ignore that a stupid law have broken wikipedia in the entire UK? Lol, I think at least someone would be concerned.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago

They can't recommend using a VPN, but they can say "some users are illegally subverting the ban using a VPN. For more information on this subject see: [link to VPN guide]."

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[-] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 88 points 2 months ago

Will libraries be requiring age verification to access encyclopaedias and other non-fiction material? Because of the children, of course!

[-] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 85 points 2 months ago

You got a loicense for that desiring knowledge, bruv?

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 76 points 2 months ago

1000% Wikipedia needs to blackout in the UK and tell users to call their MPs

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

The only rational decision, given the cost associated with a poorly defined and maliciously enforced legislative code. I wouldn't trust the UK courts to fairly adjudicate an alleged breach of the law, particularly if Reform Party gets into office and decides to punish Wikipedia's management for "Wokeness" or whatever.

[-] anas@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

On the one hand, this is obviously a terrible authoritarian law and it should be repealed, but on the other hand, I’m not sure I like companies having the power or the influence to affect laws. TikTok telling its users to protest its ban in the US back in January comes to mind.

[-] drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago

Wikipedia is basically a charity that gives people free knowledge. No one profits off of it. What you describe is called civil society, where interest groups attempt to convince the government to take certain actions, and (only without profit motive, in my opinion) it's one of a few indicators of democracy.

[-] curious_dolphin@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes and no. Sometimes a company or organization can serve as a force for good. That said, absolutely a double edged sword. It's not fair to expect private businesses and organizations to be held hostage by scummy legislators. At the end of the day, no one is entitled to a business's or organization's services, so... Don't want to chase businesses and organizations away? Don't pass shitty legislation.

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago

I would replace "companies" with "non-profits". Cause it's pretty clear that companies do hold that kind of power. Let me broadly gesture to the companies paying off these hack politicians to pass these laws i.e.; apple, alphabet, meta, and so on.

[-] TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

lol they’ve already had that power for decades. This is where you’re going to get stubborn about it? Suspicious.

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[-] Paddy66@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Big tech lobbying is behind all this

[-] als 59 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Currently I cannot edit using my VPN as that is blocked by Wikipedia, so I guess if that remains the case and they are forced to implement ID to edit articles, then I will no longer be able to contribute

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago
[-] errer@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Ironically you probably have to identify yourself to Wikipedia to get such an exception…

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

I don't know what you mean by "identify yourself". You need an account with a trustworthy history of editing, at which point you can request the exemption.

[-] enbipanic 18 points 2 months ago

That's a catch-22 for good faith new contributors, of course

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Correct, as it has to. In addition to behavior, CheckUsers use IP addresses to help identify sockpuppets. If you could bypass the exemption by just saying "here's a new account; pls exempt", it would quickly become common knowledge among sockmasters that all they need is to quickly ask and be accepted days later.

At that point, the block on proxy editing near-completely fails at one of its main functions.

[-] enbipanic 3 points 2 months ago

Of course. It's probably the lesser of two evils, but is unfortunate regardless

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[-] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Every time you would have made an edit, send a note to a representative in government

[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 months ago

I wonder if now is a good time to download all Wikipedia and put it on a spare offline drive...

[-] monovergent@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

Kiwix is wonderful for the job. It's surprising how much of Wikipedia can fit on 128 GB when larger media files are stripped out.

[-] curious_dolphin@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 months ago

I do kind of relish the images, though. Picture's worth a thousand words and all. But it's great to have that choice.

[-] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 months ago

Wikipedia need to cut off access to the UK except through VPNs.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Coincidentally Wikipedia is the only website I can think of that I'd actually be remotely comfortable with having my identity.

[-] CrowyTech@feddit.uk 36 points 2 months ago

Isn't the issue that for any economical solution websites enlist 3rd parties to do the verification? It's those (usually US) companies holding my ID that is the problem.

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago

Then you’re not thinking like someone who lives under authoritarians. Have you never gone on a Wikipedia journey following links and ended up on “gunpowder” or “list of dictators in the 21st century” or anything else that could get you painted as a “revolutionary” and locked away?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I'm generally more annoyed at how the early enthusiasm of participation on the site has died out in the face of paranoia and moderator mania. There are so many gaps in both the modern and historical backlog of citations and categorizations. But do I want to invest dozens of hours contributing to a site where a few admins are just going to tear all my work back out again on a bureaucratic technicality?

It is a site that's alternatively being strangled to death by admins fearful of malicious actors and tore apart by wave after wave of sinister propagandists and hostile agents.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

On its face... maybe? Until the Foundation falls into the hands of malicious management, anyway.

But do I trust that a public website can't have their security breached by malicious actors? Of course not.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Wikipedia doesn't have to do shit.

Let them break their internet until they fix it.

[-] Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago

when Wikipedia is suing you, you might be the bad guy

[-] handsoffmydata@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago

Better get a Kiwix server spun up.

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Wikipedia will never block the UK because they value accessible information, however obstructed it may be, more.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

You mean Wikipedia will bow down to a Western government and obey their every command?

Do you think Wikipedia would make special exceptions for China or Russia?

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[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 points 2 months ago

Welp, time to invade the UK. They were overdue.

[-] aeternum 3 points 2 months ago

they had it coming. they invaded countless other civilisations.

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