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cooperation rule (lemmy.world)
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[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

The other thing to consider, and maybe this is already addressed, is that there's a stunningly large proportion of the population that is not only okay with this, they want it. And it's not a situation where those people who approve or simply don't care are segregated out by regions, they're literally living next doors and up stairs. They're cousins and sisters and fathers and bosses and coworkers and so on. This is not some super easy "why doesn't the larger of the two simply eat the other?" kind of situation, and no matter how hard anybody wants to try and reduce it down to that, sorry, that's just now how things work.

[-] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

So more in line with Nazi Germany than confederate 1860s USA

[-] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

A general strike for 2 weeks. Will bring the economy to near destruction and force change

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Tell everyone to stock up on two weeks worth of supplies and look for a new job hoping everything works out? The hardest part is getting enough people to actually commit to it

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

If the US collapses before I die. I can die happy.

This is an evil country. It makes war on the world. It threatens the world via control of the reserve currency. To say nothing of the abuses it visits on its own citizens.

Total collapse. Balkanization. Don't care how. No expectation of surviving the fall. But as long as it falls I can die happy knowing that life on this planet has a brighter future than it did with the US at the till.

[-] saimen@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago

They should just disunite and become 51 independent states. Then they don't have to project their internal differences onto other countries any more.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I agree, Balkanization would be for the best at this point; there's no longer any legal solution

Every state has its own government and the feds have become more trouble than they are worth.

I should add that even if the states get a right to secede, but don't use it, that improves people's lives.

Because the states can constantly pressure the federal government to be nice to the states or the states will secede. This way, the federal government is forced to treat states somewhat better, if it wants to retain power.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Laws don't mean anything any more, so states should just go ahead and dew it regardless of legality.

[-] krunklom@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

as long as at leadt one state fully commits to doing the dew. Baja Blast style.

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Americans were bred not to fight for anyone except the master. There is no real God(s) here.

[-] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

I'm rapidly approaching the point where I don't care if anyone has a plan or not.

[-] willeypete23@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago

If I managed to rally my fellow men with out being ~~assasinated by the CIA/FBI~~ commingling suicide, then we would just be ~~bombed out of existence like the the black panthers~~ terrorist combantants.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Americans don't know how to cooperate, they're raised with a "me first" mentality. They can't fathom the thought of laying down their lives for their countrymen, so unless you propose to them a revolution where every one of them gets treated as the main character and everybody else as the supporting cast, they won't lift a finger.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Also "the fellow countryman" being racist and fully supporting of the whole process doesn't exactly help with motivation.

Also there are those of us who don't see other Americans as countrymen, I am a Californian first American by technicality. I hope to drop shells on Utah one day. Nevada, Arizona, Washington, and Oregon are cool though, Idaho has the potential to be cool if the politicians and zealots were purged Idaho Falls has a great MilSurp store.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Only if we get nuked. It's still continuous from the Bear Flag Revolt.

[-] saimen@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Disunited States of America would be great, thank you.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Divided States of America is a better term.

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

without a rallying force, its just sparkling crazed gunman

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

"Professionals are predictable but there are a lot more amateurs to account for."

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

To get that kind of momentum going against a literal police state would be difficult to say the least. Such a movement would also likely be smothered in it's crib by the surveillance state we built ostensibly to keep us safe from the terrorist boogeyman that America created.

Even if the revolutionaries win, there's no guarantee that the government that comes as a result would be better in any way. Great warriors rarely make great rulers.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago

Violent revolutions almost always result in bad governments for exactly this reason, i.e. it's only fringe idealists that get it together enough to lead one, and such people are usually terrible at doing actual grown-up governing.

It's why it's so infuriating to see right-wingers claim that basic social safety nets and tackling inequality are Communism, because it's like, if you want Communism then pushing half the population towards that level of desperation is exactly how you end up with it.

[-] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

We are in the middle of a revolution, just not one of, for, or by the people.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Now that corporations are people, they are "fighting for their rights" to make obscene profits; it's a "Cash is King" plutocratic revolution.

[-] xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

Listen, at least tear it down for the rest of the world, what you do after that is up to you, but for the love of god just stop the existence of the usa

[-] Ronno@feddit.nl 14 points 2 days ago

I'm just gonna leave this here:

"Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world

[-] Poik@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago

Everyone I know involved in nonviolent protests is also currently fighting legal battles for people who got hospitalized unprovoked by police at said legally organized nonviolent protests.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

From your lips to whoever's listening out there. I fear that the sheer number of weapons out there will make any nonviolence quite tenuous

[-] Vreyan31@reddthat.com 34 points 2 days ago

Most of the people here live paycheck to paycheck and can't afford a $500 emergency.

So the risk of even just getting arrested, and held in custody for a week, would be enough to ruin one's life.

That puts a damper on protesting, until you or your family are directly impacted. It also inhibits willingness to strike.

And it also explains why so many protesters are of retirement age -- they don't have a job to lose if they miss work unexpectedly for a few days.

In a lot of ways, we were already conquered.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We were conquered by comfort. We had enough money to throw at those willing to produce things for vast sums of wealth, that we threw vast sums of wealth at them to make us comfortable.

Not secure. Not safe. Not healthy.

Just comfortable. Nice, predictable, reliable routines that give just enough satisfaction to make you feel like you're not in immediate danger, and for our survivalist brains, that's enough.

Even our discomfort is comfort. Working 13 hours a day moving other people's furniture sucks, but you can still scroll your phone, you can still get sugary snacks and a bottle of alcohol at the end of the day. You will still undoubtedly read some story that will make you feel special for working hard, a message that you're a "real" person and a "true citizen" and that makes you comfortable with your hard days and self-medication to get through the week.

To say nothing of the vast, vast number of people who are completely tuned out from conscious thought and just shuffle from one easy reward to another. Scroll your forums, check your likes, eat your burger and soda, yell at someone on a forum because they don't like a thing you like. Watch the advertisement for the new thing that successful people own... you can afford one of those things, right? Maybe save up a little longer, and you can get one!

We live in margins of debt and safety, we let culture shape us, we have long since given up shaping it. There's an app to do that for you.

[-] Vreyan31@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago

I disagree that 'comfort' was a cause. That line of thinking comes from the same puritanical austerity narrative that has been used to tell the working class that our circumstances are due to poor character rather than because we were talked out of demanding more.

It's victim-blamey, but like all victim-blaming narratives it has the virtue of restoring a sense of control, a sense of "this is the thing that I can decide to do that would have prevented this."

...which isn't to say that I don't think we can't identify things that could have stopped this. But I don't think a vague assertion that people here are more distracted or 'comfortable' than elsewhere helps. Also - a lot of people are not comfortable. But they may deal with that by at least enjoying the distractions or not staring into the sun of things they don't think they can change.

Ultimately, we ended up here through corrupt systems. The Trumpers were right to want to 'drain the swamp', they are just so blinded by antimosity that they fell for a grifter because he promised to hurt people.

All the pillars of democracy have been under attack since Reagan - high quality journalism and education to maintain an informed voter base, a voter base with enough time to research issues, and political campaign laws to keep government working in the public's interest.

Occupy Wall Street tried to sound the alarm, but journalism was already too corrupt and the movement was successfully sold to the public as 'annoying college kids demanding free things'.

So now we have a significant chunk of the voter base that doesn't know what habeas corpus is, or anything about how our checks and balances are supposed to look, and thinks what makes this country "a free country" is that we blow shit up with fireworks on July 4th - and doesn't see why authoritarianism would be so bad.

And the rest of us who are looking on aghast are honestly afraid of our police, of Trumpers openly talking about lynching us (and yes - they have more guns than us. Most liberals still refuse to consider becoming armed), and of losing everything and dying in a prison cell run by a for-profit corp.

This is a stage-4 cancer diagnosis on a social scale, and people are still figuring out if we want chemo or to try to ride this out as long as we can.

On top of that, while conservative social media spaces are full of people threatening violence, all of the platforms are coming down hard on any space that discusses anything more provocative than holding a sign in a nonn-threatening manner in a way that abides any police order given.

There is no place to organize, and no one is proposing or organizing any serious strategy. Seriously -- I've gone to local meetings, and all any activist org or politician will say is "organize with your neighbors (organize what?) and try to do mutual aid".

That is not a meaningful response to an organization like the Heritage Foundation.

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[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Ultimately the same for all other authoritarian states with a "docile" population. Fragile living conditions threaten their livelyhoods, preventing many from joining the fight.

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[-] Hubi@feddit.org 87 points 3 days ago

Not sure what the point is here exactly. Every single country that has ever had a revolution had to deal with these things.

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 77 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The point is that if you convince yourself there's no chance of succeeding, then maybe you won't feel so guilty about not even trying.

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[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 days ago

Not to mention, "how is someone supposed to organize any of this without getting disappeared by the FBI or CIA."

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[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
  1. they LIKE racism
  2. very few, mostly funding issues
  3. toy helicopters, vapors + soapification effected solids
  4. lone wolf. huey P. Newton's autobiography title, all threads lead to doomed wolf
  5. revolution with heavily splintered factions that all kill each other for power at the end of toppling the old guard is a tale as old as time.
  6. no. consider that political theories the average person is aware of are old, out dated, and largely meaningless concepts that many people have idolized. Marx has been dead so long, I doubt he would have any clue how to deal with geopolitical machinations. if he could grasp them. there's really no point in theory. analysis isn't a creative process. it's only ordering chaos into a digestible framework, it's not how anything comes to be. creative acts are based on needs. what would happen? who can say. but I can say nothing will make sense in 4 years. it stopped making sense before then as well, but, again. it will stop making sense. that's all.
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