More like the reverse in my experience. Users fight each over the most petty things
The thing is, one of the big root causes behind those fights is also a root cause of what makes Linux and FOSS so great: The devs care about the software and its users. Their priority is making the right decision for the application and its users. That's a pretty stark contrast to certain other mainstream operating systems where the primary stakeholders are not the devs or the users -- it's some third party a thousand miles away who only cares whether the dev teams' decisions sprinkle a few more dollar bills on top of their cash mountain.
I'm not part of those fights and defending them, btw. I just use Mint and appreciate their efforts!
More like:
That why linux is great, it open-sources its drama so everyone can enjoy it
We ❤️ drama 🐧
Me, a new Linux convert, watching all the infighting over minutiae:
"I love a good sitcom!"
"Oh, what's your favourite? Friends? Seinfeld? Fesh Pince?"
"None, it's wayland-protocols"
A sitcom about linux developers who constantly argue about minutia could actually be fun if written correctly. They could borrow a bunch of real life incidents and write them in.
GNOME: "...and that's why I think client-side decorations are the greatest. What do you guys think?"
The camera zooms out to reveal all other desktop environments staring, stone-faced, at GNOME. After a moment, KDE speaks up:
"You really can't help putting your foot in your mouth."
Laugh track plays at 300% volume, followed by the Seinfeld outro.
Make the seinfeld outro deep fried, like that thomas the tank engine tune and you got yourself a deal buckaroo
Reminds me of the tabs vs spaces thing from silicon valley
There's a Youtube channel that mostly just follows the wayland bug tracker.
Please link?
Ouch, I don't follow him, YT just sends me the videos all the time.
It's officially about Linux, so I'm not sure I've got it right. I think it's this one:
Ok what is it this time? What did I miss
Me following the recent bcachefs drama
(Kent is objectively in the wrong & slightly bat shit, if you follow his many discussions in various forums where he defends himself)
which is so upsetting because dear FUCK does FOSS need a modern FS
I don’t get it, what’s wrong with btrfs? It’s working great for Synology, OpenSuse uses it too
Better yet, what's wrong with ext4 lol
sooo many things, no: partition pooling, snapshots, integrity checking, data scrubbing, backups, restore
it seems to have the reputation of not being the most reliable FS out there, apparently even causing data loss in some instances. In my experience tho it's been great, it's snapshot feature has saved me whenever a new kernel would break my broadcom wifi chip
Most btrfs issues I’ve read of have actually been caused by hardware problems: bad RAM, raid-0 faulty disk
I did find a bug that probably only arch users had to deal with on the most latest kernel. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Btrfs-Log-Tree-Corruption-Fix
It does, but it doesn't look like Kent will get his shit together. He cannot accept that he might be in the wrong.
Linux users are peaceful* and level-headed*.
* barring discussions about Wayland, X11's obsolescence, Systemd, Pipewire, Rust in the kernel, or even UEFI at times
I tried to use Wayland. My windows flickered to black. I switched to X11. No issue. I'll try Wayland again next year. -casual Linux user
Tried it on PopOS and wondered how anyone could use it at all. Installed fedora on a different machine and it's flawless. Probably just the age of PopOS at this point.
Narrator voice: "Six years later, they still haven't tried it again."
It beats the alternative of Microsoft's support forums where thousands comment for weeks straight INCLUDING paid Indian "representatives" who ask for user diagnostic tool output, copy/pasting the same reply eleventeen thousand times a day, on a post from 8 years ago BUT not a single person has ever posted their solution EXCEPT "I reinstalled Windows."
have you tried running sfc /scannow ?
oh, it succeeded? uh, run dism /online anway, that should work
This was such a frustrating experience. I could probably count on one hand how many times I found a useful solution that wasn’t just copy paste
This is the way. "I just use Linux" is what I always say.
I'm considered tech support for my team at work, their always saying things like "well you're the Linux guy so you know how this stuff works". And then I have to explain "I just use Linux, I don't write the code, plus these are windows machines so it's completely different issues, and lastly I just type the problem into Google read the results and then tell you what I read"
Them: well you are still tech support because I don't know how to do that.
Me: wait you don't know how to type into Google.....no you know what fine, I'm tech support, tell management so I can get a raise.
Hi, former tech support (now cybersecurity) here. You /are/ tier one tech support. You handle it pretty much how they do, knowledge base documents and searching for solutions online. If things get really bad they might poke around directly and see if they can find a root cause before they escalate.
That doesn't mean they can demand you do anything, but it does mean you shouldn't underestimate yourself :)
Hey thanks. I had always heard the joke that the majority of tech support was knowing how to phrase Google searches, but thought it was a joke....I get the sense it's more a funny fact.
Funny enough, I've done the poking around bit too, both in person and more commonly now remotely. And yeah nobody has demanded anything.... so far, lol. If I'm busy, or just have no clue what they're talking about, I just say that to them and tell them to call our outsourced help desk. So far everyone just drops their head and accepts my answer then makes the call and spends the next 2 to 3 hours deciding if they really need this job.
What's great about the drama is you can just ignore it and everything still works.
It's like going to a restaurant for a particular atmosphere. Just another Tuesday here. Eat your meal and move along.
Fighting means that you care.
I love the drama :3.. gives me a great sense of schadenfreude. Unless the devs whose side im on are losing the debate
I love it when old crusty maintainers obstruct the progress of memory safe (read: Rust) code in the Linux Kernel!!!
Then venting your frustrations about that on Mastodon gets you labeled a brigading "maybe you are the problem" by Linus ((:
Hint: :q!
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