Windows pc calling home (even while asleep) : privacy

[-] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 209 points 1 year ago

Honestly if you're still trying to find workaround for Microsofts crap at this point - just switch to Linux.

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 191 points 1 year ago

At this point for me, trying to get games working on Linux has become easier than trying to get telemetry to stop working on Windows.

[-] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 48 points 1 year ago

And since Ive never bought the problematic games before it's so much easier for me.

I'd encourage anyone to ditch the crappy anticheat broken crap and just go back to playing good high quality games.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I game on Linux every day.

I wish multiplayer worked across the board but it’s whatever. I don’t have time for it any way haha.

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[-] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago

Oh, my daily driver is a linux, i just have a spare surface book 3 i use occasionally for gaming (the thing is surprisingly powerful)

Idk how well linux would support detaching and touchscreen with pen. But I’ll definitely switch the os to linux sometime in the future when i get a new gaming rig.

[-] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago

I have a convertible laptop with pen and it works fine.

[-] glasgitarrewelt@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

I am using linux-surface on my surface book 2, works perfectly. BUT the webcam doesn't work :-)

[-] Nanabaz2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You know. I disable that crap stuff from bios on my zenbook s.

Someimes broken webcam is a good thing. At least to some....

[-] American_Jesus@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

In trying it doing that on someone hybrid, not surface but a Lenovo, PopOS! seems to works mostly out-of-box.

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[+] El_Rocha@lm.put.tf 131 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's such a dumb fucking feature too.
"Oh god forbid my email client and messaging app refresh 5 seconds after I wake my laptop instead of being already refreshed"
Who actually cares? Who on earth asked for this zombie sleep state?

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

Nobody asked for it. And it's not like they add anything people ask for (or remove things people ask them to get rid of) anyway.

Macbooks are the same way. I have one of my System Bots running on my work laptop (now that I can get away with it) and it wakes up... let me see... somewhere between every half hour to three hours, whether I want it to or not.

This "always on" bullshit is frustrating.

[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the added feature of your laptop overheating and crashing when you put it into your backpack.

Or my personal favorite is when it doesn't overheat and crash it drains 20% of it's battery in 15 minutes then goes into hibernation.

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[-] Spotlight7573@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Here's Microsoft's information page on it:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

As the time goes I just miss my old laptop more and more. What's next, no shutdown feature?

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[-] Dreadful6644@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Same for most AMD laptops as well.

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[-] NabeGewell@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

How dare you not allow Microsoft use their PC

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[-] sp00nix@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 year ago

Sleep is no longer what it used to be. They killed off S3 sleep in favor of some always connected mode, much like you cell phone.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Which has its pros and cons, but that still doesn't mean it should invade your privacy.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

I only learned this during the pandemic when i started working from home and my work laptop would wake up at 1am, fans blasting 100%

Or my laptop would wake up in my backpack during my commute and drain the whole battery...

I opened a helpdesk ticket and they didnt know why. Their solution was "just turn off your laptop"....

After doing my owm digging, i realized S3 was gone and windows just does whatever the fuck it wants

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[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 47 points 1 year ago

Oh god another one of these posts...

When pihole blocks a dns request, devices often keep trying to connect until the connection is successful. So yea, no shit it's ginna keep trying to query that domain repeatedly, including when you're sleeping.

[-] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

The thing is, the device was in suspend for a couple days now.

[-] Strykker@programming.dev 22 points 1 year ago

Modern sleep modes are internet connected, with the intent to allow systems to perform updates while sleeping.

I don't like it but that's how it's designed to work.

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

aka S0 sleep/Modern Standby.
It has some legitimate benefits like returning from sleep immediately. Kinda want it on linux but without all the telemetry crap (but it's really, really hard to pull of at an OS level)

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[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So, let me grasp your comment, are you saying that this is not creepy at all?

EDIT: To clarify, I find both things creepy, the telemetry and the insistence to ping home no matter what.

[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 15 points 1 year ago

The fact that windows has so much telemetry is creepy yes. The fact that it will keep trying to ping the domain when blocked is not creepy and is basic tech functionality.

[-] otl@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

are you saying that this is not creepy at all?

Definitely creepy that it phones home in the first place.

But it's not necessarily creepy that it keeps trying; it could just be sloppy programming. Hanlon's Razor comes to mind. Microsoft Teams behaved in a similar way apparently. If you blocked it phoning home at the network level it would buffer gigabytes of data on disk until the disk was full.

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[-] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

You had me in the first half

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[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

My Windows 10 machine comes up from sleep when nobody is anywhere near it. Seems weird to me. Also sometimes I wake it, sign in and the folder Music>Pictures (the regular Pictures folder… for some reason that’s where it is) is open in explorer. Couldn’t figure out whether it’s malware or Microsoft.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Go to your NIC's properties and scroll down to disable WAKE ON MAGIC PACKETS.

If you have any device that scans for your MAC (probably your router) it will wake up. Drove me crazy until I figured it out

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[-] TheTetrapod@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that sounds like ghosts.

[-] Dawn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I had something similar a while back, where it was waking up from sleep for no reason. I can't remember the exact reason, but it had to do with a hardware being allowed to wake the device. I disabled it from being able to wake the machine and haven't had a problem again. You can use the cmd to find which device woke your pc.

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[-] drspod@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

the folder Music>Pictures (the regular Pictures folder… for some reason that’s where it is) is open in explorer.

This sounds like the kind of thing that might happen if you have some kind of automatic sync set up, like when you plug your phone in and it automatically copies photos, or perhaps a cloud service that's syncing photos?

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[+] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

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[-] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 year ago

Come on man, he probably just misses his mom.

[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

smug Linux noises

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[-] Syrup@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Windows... With this only word you already have all the abswers

[-] memphis@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Thanks pihole!

(Also, hibernate > sleep imo )

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[-] icedterminal@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You're a bit confused.

Sleep keeps the system on but in a low power state. User and kernel sessions are kept in RAM. If power is lost, you start from a clean session. The system can resume full power with a key press or mouse movement.
Hibernate dumps the user and kernel session from RAM to disk and completely powers off. Upon startup, the hiberfil.sys file is read and put back into RAM. The physical power button must be pressed to turn on.
Hybrid Shutdown uses a feature called Fast Startup. The user session is discarded, while the kernel session is written to disk before the system completely powers off. Upon startup, the hiberfil.sys file is read and puts the kernel session back into RAM. The last logged on user has their profile preloaded, including any apps that support the feature. The physical power button must be pressed to turn on.

You can disable Fast Startup or simply hold SHIFT and click Shutdown. The feature requires the user to press the Shutdown button within Windows for it to function. If you press the physical power button on your case, that is an ACPI initiated shutdown and bypasses the Fast Startup feature. This is by design.

Your motherboard firmware controls whether or not the USB ports will continue to supply power when the system is off. It's essentially like a wall brick at this point.

Fast Startup was really meant for HDD. With SSD it's not really necessary. It's negligible time savings and with how buggy drivers can be, days or weeks old kernel sessions are bound to start causing problems.

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[-] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Ain't 10.0.0.217 an private IP?

[-] teegus@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Yes that is the local ip of the pc phoning home

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[-] jcg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Probably the IP of the device, not the IP resolved through DNS

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