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[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 29 points 20 hours ago

Is there any European nation that favors freedom of press?

I was planning on emigrating there, due to LGBTQIA+ rights, metros, and elevation. But this has soured my choice.

[-] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 points 2 hours ago

In The Netherlands we still have a freedom of press: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/media-en-publieke-omroep/persvrijheid-bewaken and we are also progressive on the LGBTQ+ front.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 19 points 17 hours ago

I'd say that European nations have a different understanding of press freedom. Mind that the individual nations have different attitudes toward this.

In Germany, press means mainly newspapers. The publishers owning these papers are very keen on copyright enforcement. Copyright does conflict with freedom of information but, I think, most would not see a conflict with press freedom.

The EU is determined to regulate who is allowed to use data for what purpose and to create the legal tools to enforce that. That's not limited to copyright. I'm very worried about that trend on many levels.

But I don't think Yuri creators will face problems in most EU countries in the foreseeable future.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 20 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

But blocking Anna's Archive, Libgen, OceanofPDF, Z-Library, and the Internet Archive's Open Library is such a terrible way to express that you hate press.

Science and academics should be freely pressed, without the authoritarianism of copyright. If my yuri koma was discussing prion synthesis, one shouldn’t deter me for referencing the journal.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

You can see how trully Freedom-loving mainstream Liberal parties are, even in Europe, by looking at the domains were Freedom Of Ideas clashes with Ideas As Property such as science publishing: almost all of those "Liberal" mainstream parties side with the Owner Class in expanding and increasing enforcement of the "though shall not share without paying" Intellectual Property laws that let some make money of something they are only able to own due to such laws (those laws are literally anti-natura in that ideas are naturally shared), rather than with the natural freedom of sharing.

The way States support and impose Intellectual Property is really just a facet of the broader societal problem of politics in Capitalist nations (even those disguised as "Democracy") not really working for the many.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

Yes. It is a big problem for Europe. I don't expect that it will be fixed in the foreseeable future. In fact, it is being made worse in many ways.

You may reference and quote journal articles. That's something I expect will stay allowed.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 5 points 17 hours ago

So you're saying not even Norway will free press😭

[-] possumparty 4 points 15 hours ago

Norway killed a walrus bc it was sinking boats by sitting on them :(

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 4 points 15 hours ago

😭 the walrus did nothing wrong😭
down with capitalism!✊🏿🦭

[-] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 5 points 19 hours ago

In France, you have the choice between public press (depending a lot on the president in place thanks to his tax cut), you have capitalist propaganda, more or less obviously fascist, and that's it for the TV. On the web you have Blast, le Média, Frustration Magasine, or Humanity in paper if you want leftist media.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 18 hours ago

I’m aware of French freedom to be lynched. I’m asking if there are freer nations I can write yuri in, that won't persecute my sapphic heart🧡🤍💜.

[-] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 3 points 13 hours ago

I guess Yuri is good for now. Just don't get your hopes to high, 2027 election will be a weird ride I guess

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 12 hours ago

Then I'll be voting extremely anarchistic once I emigrate, and repeal these authoritarian laws.

I had considered Norway, until they signed WIPO.

[-] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 hours ago

193 countries have signed WIPO, and those that haven't generally have political problems or are third world, unfortunately I don't see a way out of that one if you don't want to compromise something else for it

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 78 points 23 hours ago

Wow Belgium, I thought you were a bit cooler than that

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 45 points 22 hours ago

People, including many Europeans, make a lot of assumptions about Europe.

Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US. That gives them bad ideas. European countries have more solid social safety nets, more accessible and cheaper health care and education, more developed and usable public transport systems, ...

On other issues like immigration or racism, they are on a MAGA-level. There is no big controversy because it is widely taken for granted that European nations are ethno-states. This is less so in the former colonial powers Britain and France. But they have their own baggage that gnaws at them from within, just like the history of racial segregation undermines the USA.

Another area where Europe is just different from the US is freedom of information. It's just not respected in the same way. Intellectual property, on the other hand, is held in much higher regard. That's how it has been for a long time.

Now that the copyright industry is waging an all-out lobby battle against citizens, you can expect much more like this.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 21 hours ago

Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US.

Yes. As someone who grew in Russia, if I'd talk freely and casually about politics in the way we do here, with Americans IRL nearby, I'd probably be literally lynched regardless of those being majority Democrat or majority Republican minded, and if those Americans were sufficiently inattentive, even by a mixed crowd. Things associated with freedom and dignity and just human treatment of each other here are associated with fascism there, and the other way around. And it's very counterintuitive. And also honestly Americans and continental Europeans (but not Brits) generally feel more like peasants with pitchforks than like Russians, in every political-minded discussion. It really feels that they'd be perfectly fine with everyone disagreeing being relocated six feet under, and the purpose of the discussion is usually to let you atone and ask for mercy. Despite all the stereotypes about Russians, this is not the case here, you might get insults, but not that heavy unwillingness to accept your side's existence.

Though that was 10 years ago, now in the Russian-language space there's much wariness of propaganda and legal problems for speech and so on, so people speak less freely, while a loud minority of bootlickers likely outside Russia repeat some combination of American points, more similar to a Republican set, but at the same time certain they'd be loved by Democrats. It's weird.

[-] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 14 points 20 hours ago

The billionaires are the real enemy, regardless of what flag flies over your land, and they're trying like hell to make sure no one realizes it is the billionaires everywhere that are not only happy to see, but in many cases actually behind all of this chaos and strife. War is good for business, we are cannon fodder for their ambitions. The story hasn't changed in centuries, only the dollar figures involved have.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

On other issues like immigration or racism, they are on a MAGA-level. There is no big controversy because it is widely taken for granted that European nations are ethno-states. This is less so in the former colonial powers Britain and France. But they have their own baggage that gnaws at them from within, just like the history of racial segregation undermines the USA.

What about Spain and Portugal?

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

In short: IDK.

[-] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 5 points 19 hours ago

I don't think anyone has ever thought Belgium was cool. Been to Brussels plenty of times and I think it might be the least cool city in all of Europe. Except for FOSDEM of course. That is pretty damn cool.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Oh really? I always liked Brussels as a typically modern European city: a nice combo of old and new, friendly locals plus it's nice and walkable and has a decent variety of food options, though Bruges has them beat on walkability.

Plus they have a lot of great beer and the mitreillette, what's not to like?

I've definitely been a few places I'd rank lower anyway

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

Imo cities like Bruges or Antwerp are much nicer.

[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 4 points 18 hours ago

Bruges is a museum.

[-] xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 23 hours ago
[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

You say this as if the problem isn't American corporations and pooled special interests bribing, blackmail and rig elections in every country they can until they get what they want.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago

No.

The copyright lobby in the EU is homegrown. For example, the football league in Italy has achieved sweeping laws that can be used to block pirated live streams without much ado. Expect that to be rolled out across the EU.

It's true that these EU corporations are in league with the US copyright lobby. After all, Europeans read American books, watch American movies, listen to American music. The books are usually badly translated and published by a European corporation, which gives Europeans a cut. European agencies, often government-sponsored monopolies, collect money and send much of it to the US. But a lot is doled out to European corporations. And the collecting agencies have a good thing going, as well.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yeah, it was Europe's fault for getting the US to replace its utilitarian "to promote the progress of science and the useful arts" basis for copyright with 'droite d'arteur' moral rights (via the Berne Convention treaty) in the first place.

[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

It's bizzare, you started off by saying "No" in a willful display of poor social skills but then went on to say very little that I've disagreed with.

I mean, I didn't say that each country didn't have their own lobby, now did I?

The pressure and the money to actually change things and control your country's entire online media narrative is controlled by a very small number of US companies. They use this power to rig elections and force law like the above through. I understand that wi be difficult reading for some Americans who don't like that they're now the colonising Empire but, that doesn't change that the main problem with sorting our own digital data laws hasn't been meddling by American business interests.

Have you got anything more than "I don't like this. So, it isn't true?"

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I appreciate the “fuck America swinging their dicks around in other’s business” sentiment, but let’s not entertain conspiracy where there isn’t any. America doesn’t need to push its preferences in places where the sentiment already aligns.

My post is that you you blame this on America you won’t think clearly about the actual issue, which is the sentiment of EU politicians and businesses and how they skew unduly in favor of harsh intellectual property restrictions.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 21 hours ago

That be the country where the king records a "happy psychopath"-style videos where he talks with his subjects over video calls on a smartphone. Everything clean, bright smiles, the subjects' selection is properly racially diverse. And you can just feel how with everything so perfect something is wrong, like - why that session of short video calls of the monarch with random (but very proportionally selected and similarly clothed in style) people even happens? What is it intended to show, that the king has empathy for every person? Were I a citizen of Belgium, I'd prefer the king to not care and tend to his garden instead. This feels so glowing and fake that one can't help thoughts like "what if the king actually eats children for breakfast".

[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago

EU used to be cool I guess.

[-] bryndos@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago

Stupid Ghents.

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