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Another step for animals rights!

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[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Leather is a byproduct of the beef industry.

At no point will any fewer cattle be 'processed' for meat because of this decision.

What does change is the utility ratio of the beasts. Well use less of each beast making the tragedy of their death more meaningless.

Leather is far more environmentally friendly than plastics, with a small caveat for the tanning process' chemicals, and emissions from the beasts themselves (though that's attributable to beef production.)

Leather doesn't degrade into micro plastics.

So unless Apple is also reducing its beef consumption* by the equivalent amount it's pointless.

* yes, it'll be non-zero.

[-] LSNLDN@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 year ago

Guess we should all eat increasingly less beef then

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 17 points 1 year ago
[-] randombullet@feddit.de 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just remember it's always about the profits.

Just like how they stopped selling chargers for the sake of reducing e-waste. Even though they can save on shipping weights and charge extra for 1st party chargers.

Now is it worse for the environment to produce extra chargers and cables? Or the secondary purchases, shipping, and manufacturing? I can't tell you the actual impact.

Oh and remember the absolute trash 1A/5V charging bricks they included for the longest time ever? They hardly even pushed out 18w bricks before they nixed the entire included charger crap.

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

Sure but this is also good for the planet and the animals

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago

If the drive for profits pushes companies to use more recycled materials and reduced their carbon footprint , that’s a good thing right? In the same way that Apple have decided that privacy is a marketing differentiator

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[-] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Good. But fuck that faux pleather stuff too though, it doesn't last long and is just microplastics waiting to end up in the environment. Get proper stainless steel one or even a good quality NATO strap.

[-] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

They're doing a woven material. The article I saw said the rumor was using recycled nylon and polyester in some manner, but that was a rumor and I don't know if it's confirmed. But you could absolutely make a decent, reasonably rugged phone case with something in approximately the neighborhood of canvas.

Stopping trying to be leather when it sucked was needed. If you're not doing a relatively high quality grade of leather, it can't handle the abuse, and what Apple had recently wasn't that.

[-] Ashelyn 17 points 1 year ago

I mean, polyester and nylon are also petroleum-based so will eventually degrade into microplastics as well...

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

LOL, animals have no rights. OK, maybe the right to be tasty.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Apple claimed this was for environmental reasons, not animal rights reasons.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 year ago

It's more enshittification. Making it cheaper and worse and telling everyone it's an upgrade.

OP is editorializing that it's for vegan ethics.

[-] 1chemistdown@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago
[-] alp 5 points 1 year ago

Leather lasts a lot longer and personally I think it feels better. But the fake leathers often fall apart really quickly and can't be cared for like leather. A maintained leather item can last centuries, not that an accessory would last very long but faux leather crumbles pretty quickly

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm curious how many animals are killed to make leather. I would think that the animal is killed for food and the byproduct is leather. If we're still raising feed cattle and just wasting the leather, wouldn't that be worse for the environment?

[-] alp 5 points 1 year ago

Right, when we make things out of wood sure it's killing trees, but it's a sustainable resource that is better than mining for other materials that don't biodegrade. Of course in leathers case it is literally a byproduct so there is very little environmental concers. Garentee faux leather is much more environmentally unfriendly

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[-] kaj@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If you pay for it, it's not a byproduct

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[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Yes I am causing pain and suffering ring but lol idc" is a totally normal thing to say.

Can you name another place where it's ethical to willingly cause harm to another?

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[-] blazera@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Cool, youve got no rights

[-] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

You're alright with dog fighting?
Bestiality?

[-] bighi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Animals have rights in almost every country in the world.

[-] kaitco@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Hermés bands will still be actual leather, right? That’s a whole brand thing with them.

[-] Rexios@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

They aren’t

[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cool.

But like a broken clock that is right twice a day, Apple doing the right thing is only because there is money in it.

[-] justRon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason still results in the right thing being done. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Sure, I'm all for this. Less body parts being sold is always a good move. I just think we need to keep in check why corporations SOMETIMES act ethically.

[-] alp 2 points 1 year ago

In this case it's obviously cheaper, also organic materials are probably harder to source and manufacture consistently

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