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US Privacy Focused Carrier Cape.co
(cape.co)
Looks interesting, but it's the first time I've heard of them and I'm wary about the CEOs ties to palantir and the fact that its a US-based company. I'll wait for others to do some deeper research into the company first.
collect your name, social security number, address, or other personal information.
At least where I live there are laws to collect this info. Is it not regulated in Murica?
We secure your account against SIM swaps…with modern cryptography protocols.
This just dosent make ANY sense. Sim swaps are done via social engeneering.
proprietary signaling protection
If they wanted to be private, it would be Open source.
Voicemails can hold sensitive information like 2FA codes.
Since when do people send 2fa codes via voicemail? The fuck? Just use signal.
U.S. Army and worked for Palantir.
Me smell honey
Also, they DO collect your Credit card data. Not they themselves, but Stripe. So Stripe knows every detail about you.
We secure your account against SIM swaps…with modern cryptography protocols.
This just dosent make ANY sense. Sim swaps are done via social engeneering.
See this for details. Their tech support people do not have the access necessary to move a line so there’s nobody to social engineer. Only the customer can start the process to move a line after cryptographic authentication using BIP-39.
proprietary signaling protection
If they wanted to be private, it would be Open source.
I’m really tired of this trope in the privacy community. Open source does not mean private. Nobody is capable of reviewing the massive amount of code used by a modern system as complex as a phone operating system and cellular network. There’s no way to audit the network to know that it’s all running the reciewed open source code either.
Voicemails can hold sensitive information like 2FA codes.
Since when do people send 2fa codes via voicemail? The fuck? Just use signal.
There are many 2FA systems that offer to call your number so the system can tell you your 2FA code.
The part where I share your reaction to Cape is about identifying customers. This page goes into detail about these aspects, and it has a lot of things that are indeed better than any other carrier out there.
But it’s a long distance short of being private. They’re a “heavy MVNO”. This means their customers’ phones are still using other carriers’ cell towers, and those can still collect and log IMSI and device location information. Privacy researchers have demonstrated that it is quite easy to deanonymize someone with very little location information.
On top of that, every call or text goes to another device. If it goes through another core network, most call metadata is still collected, logged, and sold.
If we accept all of Cape’s claims, it’s significantly better than any other carrier I’m aware of, but it’s still far from what most people in this community would consider private.
I'm not judging them on their claims, but their cost compared to other MVNOs is insane. The extra features they add do not seem worth the $99 they want to charge.
Only because you are the product with the others, pr your information anyway. Without selling that info, they need to do a lot to make up the lost profit. Assuming this is real and not just a sting op or something.
Sadly privacy is costly. It's the only option compared to the others
Yeah I wouldn't put my dick in that.
There is perhaps an opportunity there. You can't be sure that they won't collect location information or information off your phone. But if you took precautions to make sure you were anonymous when you purchased the stuff, and the device you are using was divorced from you entirely, you just have to make sure you never ever turn it on at home. Getting a working phone number/sim without an SSN/address identification isn't nothing.
I don't trust that stripe wouldn't out you. So you'd need to protect your payment info.
I don't trust that they won't locate you or log your communication or handle your communication or location in a way that could be tracked by a powerful third party.
That said, 99 bucks a month is pretty expensive to get an unidentified sim from a company you can't necessarily trust.
Major anom vibes.
lol i didn't think of that. it's so true.
Why do we need a Sim and number , its just a way for government to keep control and manipulate.
Time to promote a simless future.✊
Also the IMEI irrevocably attached to every cellular modem. Can't rotate it like a MAC address either without breaking a law or two.
They have a special option called Obscura but it is only available via contact
One of Cape Obscura’s key features is identifier rotation. By regularly changing the identifiers your phone transmits—like IMSI, IMEI, and AdID—Cape makes it nearly impossible for trackers or malicious actors to follow your digital footprint. Source
how do esims work? can I transfer it between devices in seconds?
Never heard of it but I’m definitely curious especially when it states: “This website doesn’t use cookies.” I bookmarked your post; thank you for sharing.
They're blocking my VPN connection... I've already got problems with this lol.
I like what they're doing in terms of the anonymity when signing up, but 100/month is kinda high. Maybe in the future when they release cheaper plans (ie no unlimited internet call/text) and they get subpoenad a couple times I'll switch over
Overall pretty cool
pretty sure calyx has somthing simmilar and id trust them more https://calyxinstitute.org/membership/internet
this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2025
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