It’s almost like the rest of the world just…moved on.
Ffs. We need a strong USA. Get rid of this moron.
Why do we need a strong usa?
I would settle for a stable USA that takes care of its people.
Back in 1997 there was a storyline in WWF with a professional wrestler named Bret Hart.
Bret is a Canadian. And the storyline was that he was a bad guy in the USA, because he bad mouthed USAs healthcare, and treatment of veterans.
He was a good guy everywhere in the world EXCEPT the USA.
He said things like "Back home in Canada, we still act like decent people. Where we take care of the sick, and the elderly. We honor our veterans who served our country. Not like here where you dump them in the streets and spit on them as they suffer. I can't wait to get back to Canada. A real country to be proud of. Not this fascade of an image that your country tries to project. All men are created equal, huh? Kind of hard to take that seriously, when the quotes author was a slave holder."
Yeah. Professional wrestling was WILD in the late 90s. But I bet you thought it was just muscle roided beefy boys beating their chests and shaking the ropes, huh?
My point is, we've NEVER taken care of our own people. Even a professional wrestler 30 years ago could see that.
Yeah the need for a "strong country" is just pure awful nationalism.
Fight for a "good country" instead.
A strong USA is a call for stability. Consider what they said about the mongols, "For fear of his yasa and punishment his followers were so well disciplined that during his reign no traveller, so long as he was near his army, had need of guard or patrol on any stretch of road ; and, as is said by way of hyperbole, a woman with a golden vessel on her head might walk alone without fear or dread."
Weather the mongols (or the USA) are a good empire is a separate matter. The US brings a lot of stability for small countries and keeps sea ways open for trade. It is not an act of charity the way some republicans frame it, but still. Simply saying for the US empire to fold those responsibilities begs the question, who or what will take its place?
These are not easy questions and leave a lot unsatisfied. They almost remind me of anarcho capitalists saying that with out states and leaving things to the free market everyone will hold hands and sing kumbaya.
You're acting as if there aren't large will powers that aren't chopping at the bit to take the place of United States to maintain World stability.
You're acting as if the United States single handily keeps the world stable which is absolutely not true.
If anything the United States is more of a destabilizing force in the global South and it is a stabilizing Force.
Right now I would say China is probably the most stabilizing force in Africa due to its Belton Road initiative and they're working on helping stabilize South America where the United States is constantly overthrowing governments that aren't friendly to the United States.
The Chiquita banana Wars come to mine along or the overthrow of Allende when they had a perfectly reasonable centrally planned socialist government in place. The exiled capitalism Chile worked with United States to violently overthrow the government when the people were objectively happy with what they had.
I do not think the United States is a stabilizing Force around the world
You’re acting as if there aren’t large will powers that aren’t chopping at the bit to take the place of United States to maintain World stability.
You’re acting as if the United States single handily keeps the world stable which is absolutely not true.
I am not and I addressed that when I said,
"Weather the mongols (or the USA) are a good empire is a separate matter. "
In your other comment you bring up how China is bullying The Philippines. Russia also treats central asian / caucasian countries the way the US treats central america. Is that good? No, and yet many might say that a strong Russia is a kind of stabilizing force. A stronger Russia is able to bluff that the CSTO is worth the paper its printed on and have deterred the Amermenian-Azzeri war that happened a few years ago.
Do I think the Russian Federation or current China with its imperial goals are forces for good? No, but that is a different question to "do they bring stabilizing effects". And I will point out again the question was more or less as to why people consider the US a stabilizing force; not if that is a good or moral thing.
A weaker US will probably bring more stability.
If we have a few, not too many, but a few power poles in the world, these powers will likely work to keep each other at bay. The US got completely unhinged after the fall of the Soviet Union. There was no one who could stop them after all. This lead to millions of people murdered by the US and its clients in the past 35 years. Bill Clinton's presidency alone killed about half a million Iraqi kids through sanctions on food and medicine for Iraq in the 90s, ironically after the US, Germany and other western countries had been major factors in building Saddam's chemical weapons and using them against the Kurdish minority and Iran. Then came the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions, again killing hundreds of thousands maybe up to a million of people. Libya tossed into chaos, Yemen as a genocidal campaign that the Saudis couldn't have pulled off without US weapons, intelligence and assistance, killing hundreds of thousands again...
US "liberal hegemony" has been the deadliest ideology in the world after Mao has died
Fair enough my point is if you're worried about world stability that there are plenty of other countries who are interested in World stability and will pick up the mantle at the US leaves on the ground.
Yeah China's bullying the Philippines however the Philippines are also a bit of a proxy to the US so they're just naturally hostile because they don't like the US. I'm sure there's other reasons and yes they absolutely have imperialistic ambitions but I would say that when we make comparisons to United States or even like the USSR I think China has more peaceful than these states and is less belligerent.
Not to say that China isn't belligerent only that I think they're generally less corrosive to the world
Not to say that China isn't belligerent only that I think they're generally less corrosive to the world
PH, Peru and Argentina all have the same complaints on China regarding fishing. Their aggressive ghost fleets will show up to take everything and ram them out of their own waters. To say they are less aggressive is giving good will they haven't earned. Likely because they don't have the same power projection the west currently has.
that there are plenty of other countries who are interested in World stability and will pick up the mantle at the US leaves on the ground.
I think an issue with this statement is that it just assumes things will work out. I specifically brought up the csto as a non western example of an empire collapsing causing a war among two other parties that were in that sphere of influence as they say. I also brought up ancaps as another unserious group of wishful thinking. I don't have an answer but I am calling yours out as handwaving real concerns.
China is raping Africa and they will be in debt to them forever. China is also a huge bully in the Philippines. They are not going to be good for stabilizing shit.
But you're from lemmy.ml so it doesn't matter what anyone says.
Y'all on .world love to point instances as if it's the be all end all.
I really fucking hate this style of argumentation so let me handle this now.
This is called a genetic fallacy and it's utilized to invalidate an argument without actually engaging in the substance of that argument like you haven't. If you can't support your opinion don't argue, don't offer comment, just block me, down vote, and move on because otherwise I'm going to call you out on using a fallacy to completely sidestep the very valid points I made. I'm going to point out how you didn't engage with any substance of anything I had to say such as the United States being a much worse stabilizing Force than China.
Here why don't you support your statement that China is raping Africa worse than the United States has exploited the entirety of the global South including Africa.
China is being a massive bully to the Philippines. That fucking sucks. They shouldn't really do that. You know who else is a massive bully, the United States. Should we point out all of the countries the United States abuses through sanctions and the mif?
I didn't say China was sunshine and rainbows I only said that there are more stabilizing influence on the world than the United States is and I have plenty of History of the United States fucking things up far far worse than China ever dreamed of doing.
Your on .world so I don't actually expect you to engage with the substantive aspects of my argument instead I expect you to fall into ad hominem attacks and more genetic fallacies.
So would you like to continue a conversation by providing some facts to back up your claims or am I just going to sit here and rake you over the coals for acting like a fool and offering an opinion without any substantive argument?
https://www.cna.org/our-media/indepth/2024/03/china-loans-to-africa
It takes 2 seconds to research that china is using Africa as a debt trap with loans that are designed to trap nations.
Tankies gonna tank I guess...
CNA (previously named the CNA Corporation), fully as The Center for Naval Analyses, is a federally-funded nonprofit research and analysis organization based in Arlington County, Virginia, USA.
Couldn't at least find an impartial source?
This is a bit like linking the Chinese government official website about the problems with the US.
Edit:
Regardless thank you for linking a source. I'll look into this and see what I can learn from it.
Never existed
Sadly
That’s true…if only.
This is the results of decades of bipartisan foreign policy. If you want change, we’ll have to oust the majority of Democratic Party leadership as well.
We need a strong USA.
Glances at the last 40 years of US history
Do we?
Ha ha fair enough.
I still prefer the last 40 years of US history over the last 40 years of Chinese history
We need s week usa , enough of the uniyed snake bullying
Everyone was trying to beat the tariffs and it ended up creating record exports.
Man I remember arguing with somebody that said that China would want the USA to be stable and strong and that they don't want the USA playing these games
My response is that China's loving this and they're going to be breaking in profits and low and behold.
China does not care about the United States stability as long as the United States is not focused on China.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" - ancient Chinese war man
A trade surplus doesn't mean they are going well.
Total exports increasing does. But it's only half of the picture.
It means their economy is still running strong and that people are still buying from them. And they did increase total exports.
The trade war is not going well for the United States
What the other comment said is correct. It alone doesn't show they're doing fine. They could instead have a massive decrease in imports, and their export surplus would increase, but it'd suck because no one actually cares about that. I don't get upset when I go to the grocery store and leave with less money than when I entered, because I got goods of similar value with that money.
If their total exports went up, then that indicates they're doing well.
It seems effective not to become vassals to the yanks. Europe should take notes, ditch these stupid obese people, and chart its own course, away from muhrican degeneration.
I mean, we're also obese. But your other points stand 😁
I'm American and completely agree. Europe is in a much better spot to lead than America is. America needs to be shamed.
Half of America is ashamed, and the shameful half is too busy eating its own excrement to know what shame is.
Of course they do. Cost of living goes up, people buy the cheaper options of essentials . The ones mass produced in China.
With the coming change I hope more countries will join the Belt & Road initiative.
Can’t wait for China to emerge as the global hegemon and for the rest of the world to drop the USD as the reserve standard.
Meanwhile, the orange clown is celebrating his 27B tariff surcharge...penny wise.
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