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[-] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

EDIT: look at the comment answer to this one for a link to the study!

So, just out of interest, because the article here is rather short and lacking in sources, I wanted to see some details of the study. I found another article, quoting a few additional things, as well as linking to the study PDF. Well, the PDF link is broken - and trying to search for it yields no useful results. I tried by topic, I tried by number derived from the link (BDV25-977-13). I tried on the Florida Department of Transportation site, as well as the University of South Florida site. Either I am stupid in my approach, or for some weird reason, the study has been retracted from public publishing? I don't want to put on too much of a tinfoil hat here, but with Florida's administration being what it is, I would not be too surprised if that tinfoil hat is actually appropriate here, and it was retracted for not fitting the narrative.

As an anecdotal point: I'd actually expect there to be a slightly higher "recklessnes" score for cyclist - but only because cycling does not require a license, and cyclists can be kids and teenagers, with sometimes a lacking understanding of traffic rules. (I know I regularly and unwittingly broke some traffic laws here in Germany as a student cycling to school, which I only realised later in life).

[-] Gamechanger@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 months ago

Thank you very much! What was the trick to finding it? Always interested in new techniques there. Also, glad tinfoil hats were not needed.

[-] Gamechanger@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I googled for Florida department of transport bicycle study. Because I read in your link they funded it and then i compared with your study number. Basically i built on your research 😉

[-] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I call bullshit. None of the cyclists I see have ever even heard of a stop sign.

[-] 7eter@feddit.org 17 points 3 months ago

I get close passed way more often than running a stop sign. I have the feeling that close passing is kind of accepted while running a stop sign is not.

[-] bear 14 points 3 months ago

I believe it. Cyclists here are not required to stop for stop signs. Also, most cars just slow down when the intersection is empty.

[-] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Not where I live. Also how would that make sense? It’s a four-way intersection of car traffic if you blow through it at the wrong time you die.

[-] django@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago

You may be confusing "stopping" and "slowing down". You can do the second without the first.

[-] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Also illegal. You proved my point.

[-] django@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago

I just offered an option between stopping and blowing through, which is less likely to kill you.

[-] bear 3 points 3 months ago

Cyclist are only required to yield to anyone already in the intersection.

[-] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Several states in the US have laws on the books allowing bikers to conditionally ignore stop signs, but typically to "downgrade" a stop sign to a yield sign. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop

The basic premise is that because a bike is slow enough, and the stopping distance of a bike at speed is short enough, a bike can approach an intersection, make a judgment call on if they need to stop, and if they don't expect to get hit, they can cross without coming to a full stop first like a car does.

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 1 points 3 months ago

It's generally treated as a yield in states where bikes don't have to stop at stop signs. If there's no cars or other bikes, they go. Obviously you still stop if other cars/bikes are approaching a four way or are in the intersection.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 3 points 3 months ago

Cyclists here are not required to stop for stop signs.

True in 12 states.

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Yes cyclist often break the law, but you seriously underestimate how often cars refuse priority to pedestrians, park illegally, overtake cyclist too near, or over speed...

[-] SCmSTR 2 points 3 months ago

In Seattle, whenever there's a bike at a red LIGHT they usually just straight up run it if they can.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

Humans are humans.

[-] huppakee@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago

I don't car how well that stuy is done, it's still just a stuy.

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