This project has been discontinued and the repo archived. I am done with Lemmy, the Fediverse as a whole, and have no desire to continue developing for the platform or (especially) the demographic thereof.
Wow, what the heck happened? Do we know the dev's lemmy username for any clues?
It's a combination of a burn out and a close friend (also moderator of the 30rock community on Dubvee) ending up in a coma, it seems.
Where are you seeing mention that the coma contributed to the choice to discontinue? I see in the !30rock@dubvee.org post that the community will be shut down despite the fact that the only mod is not able to even protest that decision or anything, but no other mention.
Yes, I posted his message in my post's body. https://dubvee.org/post/3788765
Thanks for that context.
The specific "burned out" is a common killer among folks that try this: community management
"Well, two years in, and I cannot say this place is any better, just differently bad if not worse. Too many people here seem to think that because it's not "corpo social media" that anything goes, and boy do some people really run with that."
I can't say I blame them. People can be horrible. Managing a community also means managing the worst of people. I had a former employer that did community management of a dating site. The level of mental trauma the front line workers endured was more than I could imagine. This is also why I completely understand instance admins that follow an aggressive blocking/banning approach. Beehaw put up tall walls and defederated aplenty. Blahaj.zone actively bans based upon user activity that is even on other unrelated instances. I can't fault either of these approaches because the alternative is dealing with the worst users en masse.
I hope that instance owner/manager gets some of that much deserved rest.
Sounds like someone wasn't prepared for the reality of human interaction on the internet.
I mean its completely fair to say that they don't want to deal with it, but also what did they expect?
I totally have to disagree. Instance owners are attacked here on Lemmy for trying to keep their instance in line with the local laws where they live. You know, which they totally have to keep free of legal trouble that might cost them a lot of time, money or even put them into jail. It's not great when admins have to deal with utter idiots in their free time. Remember the whole Nicole fiasco where some poor girl was harassed via a spam attack? Remember that spam attack with the scat porn? All this hate going around with the war in the middle east? I can totally understand why someone burns out dealing with this crap in their free time. Come home from work after a hard day. Another scat spam attack you have to deal with. Another Hamas sympathizer calling you genocide lover because you deleted his propaganda. Someone else attacking you because you removed content that is illegal where you live and you hope that no authority saw it before you deleted it. Go to bed. Go to work. Repeat.
Since you're on the same instance as me, I assume you are a mod/admin there. Let me use this opportunity to say thank you to you and all the other mods on feddit.org for helping to keep that place one of the most pleasant online spaces I've come across in my years on the internet. As far as I can tell from the outside you and the others are doing a great job.
We arent really in disagreement tho. I am absolutely empathetic with their situation and their burnout. Im just saying they should have seen it coming. Those two things arent contradictory. I just find it odd how one can invest so much time into a public project, without being aware of the realities of having to moderate it. Im thankful for the people that host instances, but i will never do it, because i know how much of a pain it is.
Not sure if "they should have seen it coming" really is the way to think about this. Yes, moderation is hard. Yes, it makes sense to build a team doing moderation. But let's be honest, Lemmy is insaner than other forums due to its federated structure.
but also what did they expect?
Can I ask you what the worst examples of community management looks like? As in, what do you believe would be the worst part of the job?
When you moderate a platform that the public is free to upload anything to, you will see everything. From insults to threats to gore to CSAM. Thats how the internet is. That is the worst part in my opinion, because you cant just look away, but actually have to deal with it.
I agree with you. However, I don't think most people understand that. For most folks they haven't been exposed to the most mentally darkest souls among us.
This really is a complicated problem, but if the fediverse wants to grow without relying on slave labor for moderation like Meta and the rest, then we have to find ways to lighten the load on moderators. Thats why creating transparent pre moderation tools like the image scanners used by many fediverse instances is so important.
Thats why creating transparent pre moderation tools like the image scanners used by many fediverse instances is so important.
Are there any moderation tool projects going on right now one could throw a few bucks at to support it?
The average Lemming has the nuance of a wrecking ball and the maturity of a junior high edge lord
another lemming that doesn't want to perticipate in the far-left hate machine that lemmy has descended into
it's the same reason that user numbers on lemmy are slowly but surely declining
lol
The average Lemming has the nuance of a wrecking ball
He’s not wrong lol. I can imagine how much worse it is as an admin. It’s unfortunate that Tesseract is going down with the ship. I remember I was among the first to provide feedback when he first posted it on lemmy.
Also described himself there
Thought this was about this tesseract
Me too. If It had been, I would have needed another way of ALT'ing screenshots from other social networks.
Same here
Considering this is a Svelte project, it probably wouldn’t be too hard for me to fork (I’m a Svelte and SvelteKit dev). I’d definitely rewrite the UI, cause the current UI is… unpolished.
How much support could I expect to fork this project? Is there anyone that would be willing to help?
Better contribute to Photon, which Tesseract was forked from originally.
That's a real shame, and a huge loss.
Friendly reminder that the only way lemmy can be successful is if we create a culture that is enjoyable to be a part of. It sounds like his time here was not so positive, and that's deeply saddening.
I wish him the best with his future endeavors
Much more important than the enjoyable culture is the material aspect - how much work each developer has to do. Nice vibes help delay burnout but rarely eliminate it. Or they let it happen with a smile on the face.
Pay the developers instead, so they can reduce hours worked elsewhere, if you can. Or contribute code, if you can. This isn't aimed at you personally, but anyone reading. I can't contribute code but I can pay so I do that.
rip to the best client 🥹 and thank you for everything you've done PTZ.
There are terrible people everywhere and in particular everywhere online.
This is why I would never be bothered moderating and I am reluctant to release anything to the public of what I do for my own enjoyment. Cheers to moderators and people that post their art and comics and other stuff online.
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