Even then, I'd argue they still disproportionately impact those most likely to be on the road - those who need to drive for or to work.

But so what? Drive the speed limit and you don't get ticketed. This isn't some unfair cop picking and choosing who to pull over. Add scaling fines for income and its STILL going to disproportionally impact working class people.

Its still not an argument to get rid of them

So let's push for that instead of pushing to remove cameras. In fact, proportional fines would probably increase the revenue, which would bring the funds to improve the road design so folks don't get the wrong impression of the speed they're supposed to be in. Also let's push for better transit so poor people are not forced to drive and risk getting fined.

They disproportionately effect assholes who speed. The fines are harder to pay if you are poor but they are equally easy to avoid for both rich and poor.

Calming measures work.

Yes, they do. And NIMBYs hate them more than automated traffic cameras.

Speed cameras do not.

They have demonstrated to be effective in all the Canadian municipalities who have implemented them. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

The problem is people don't like getting caught for breaking the law, so they either vandalize or petition against these cameras.

Alternatively, they could drive the posted speed limit and not run red lights. 💁‍♂️

Found the BMW driver.

Adding narrow shoulders, speed bumps and plastic bollards to the center of roads all slow down traffic because they makes it difficult and uncomfortable to speed. They also drive all the assholes back to main streets instead of taking their big-brain shortcuts through residential areas.

Speed cameras reduce speeding on the main streets by costing you money. After your 3rd, 5th, or 15th automatic ticket you will eventually slow down. You can't narrow the ridiculous 4 lane city streets in Brampton to slow people down, you can't put speed bumps in an 80 zone, speed cameras are a cheap and easy to deploy method of convincing drivers to slow the fuck down.

Yep - between the speed, the shitty driving and the insurance scammers, I won't be surprised when insurance companies start declining to insure people with Brampton addresses. I'm not saying it's right, but it won't be surprising.

doesn’t feel fair

Why? Why does it feel unfair to follow the speed limit?

@Davriellelouna what could we do instead? more transit, more density, being able to walk to more places we need to go. but instead we get speed traps harassing people who are honestly acting pretty reasonable (ok, obviously there are maniacs who are not reasonable -- but they all drive benzes and bmws, so a fine probably isnt stopping them)