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[-] vaguerant@fedia.io 147 points 2 months ago

Sorry to go all Godwin's law, but astrology can and has been used as a tool of oppression. Nazi Germany had a state-sponsored astrologer, Karl Ernst Krafft, appointed by Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess and Chief Propagandist Joseph Goebbels. Krafft was employed to write astrological propaganda that justified anti-semitism on the basis of celestial events. He was also tasked with using astrological observations to predict threats to the Führer Adolf Hitler and offer military advice.

Ultimately, it's not the stars and Moon that do the oppression, just whoever is in charge of divining their meaning, which is also pretty much how religious oppression works.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 months ago

It's almost as if certain types of people want to be assholes but want an irrefutable entity to say it's okay.

[-] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 12 points 2 months ago

Never trust someone else's imaginary friend over one's own.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

Here's a thought: go one further. Kill all gods & masters.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

We will only be free when the last monarch is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

Repair world hunger with a woodchipper & fertilizer tumbler... Yeet The Rich.

[-] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 3 points 2 months ago

Eh not giving up my kinks, but everyone needs to have the right to say no or it's not fun.

(sorry, the homebrewed anamist theism is too fun right now, and i got a puppy boy that's counting on me so... upvotes for thoroughness and enthusiasm)

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Religion has been the single most detrimental invention of humankind since civilization's dawn.

To the other point, since nearly that same catalyzing point in our history, undying Truth itself can be found in the loving eyes of a goodest boy. (source: my own life has been saved by one on more than a few occasions and ways. 🙇🏼‍♂️🐕🥰)

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Religion is a lot like genitals, enjoy yours in places that people are cool with that happening but only share them with the willing and don't be an asshole just because someone else's are different.

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago

Given the chance, Saturn would remove women's right to vote.

[-] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Typical Saturn energy.

[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Dammit Saturn I thought you were cool

[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 months ago

A belief system that makes claims which are demonstrably untrue is susceptible to being used to oppress people (or elevate them unnecessarily).

Astrology is bunk. Yes I am fun at parties.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

It is legit frustrating to see "my superstition never hurt anyone" in the minority very quickly become "we're rounding up all the non-believers" as soon as that same group get an ounce of power.

FFS, waves hand at Israel. Also, the Mormons, the Scientologists, Jonestown...

[-] 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 months ago

Astrology has specifically oppressed swaths of women in the Indian subcontinent. Search for "manglik" for starters.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I’ve seen plenty of instances of people being treated unfairly and unjustly due to religious astrology beliefs. Especially women (of Indian descent, also Chinese but my experience is more limited there).

[-] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

my boy andres had a girl reject him just because he's a vigo

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

One of the weirdest far-right slurs I've seen flung at Muslims is "Moon Worshiper". Like, someone on AM Radio must have gone on a serious tear, because it comes up in reactionary church sermons and Facebook posts and the occasional Congressional exchange.

Something about having even a casual association with extraterrestrial bodies really sets Christian Conservatives off.

[-] svcg 16 points 2 months ago

If the moon doesn't oppress women, then why is the menstrual cycle the same length as the lunar cycle?

Checkmate, ~~atheists~~ astrologists!

[-] neuracnu 11 points 2 months ago

Additionally, the stars and moon actually exist.

[-] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I dunno, I've heard many women and gays complaining that Mercury is retrograding them, or something. /s

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

there's one star that is oppressing albino women and gays though

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago
[-] HeavenlySpoon@ttrpg.network 23 points 2 months ago

It really isn’t. Things can be better than other things and still be bad.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No it's not.

Reagan's astrologer, who was consulted on policy decisions:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Quigley

The best thing you can say for court mystics of any creed is that they're just the convenient excuse for the behavior, not the cause.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

Only people can oppress people.

[-] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

One could argue that they lift people up, since there's a slight canceling of the effect of Earth's gravity when they're over head. Conversely, the opposite is true when they're on the other side of the planet.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

The gravitational effect is only meaningful from the Moon and the Sun.

The Moon obviously affects the tides, and is very, very slowly making our days longer.

The Sun is ... you know, the center of the Solar System, defines our entire orbit, our year.

Nothing else is massive enough or close enough to have a meaningful gravitational impact.

[-] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Right, the post mentions "the Moon and stars." Last I checked, the Moon is still the Moon and the Sun is a star.

Also, I didn't say anything about the effect being meaningful. An effect that is non-zero is still an effect even if it is negligible.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean, if you want to be this pedantic...

'the stars'

99.999...% of 'the stars' are not the Sun.

99.999...% of 'the Moon and the stars' are neither the Moon nor the Sun.

And... I know you didn't say meaningful.

I did. That's my counter argument to your ... hypothetical? argument.

Further, when I say 'negligible' I mean... not actually empirically observable, not statistically different from 0, thus you could not establish any kind of causal mechanism with any legitimate basis.

Sure, you could calculate a theory of the difference of overall gravitational effect of 'the stars', but its going to be again negligible compared to local gravitational variances of the Earth itself, due to the Earth not being perfectly uniformly spherical, nor perfectly radially uniformly dense.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A lot of folk religions exalt third genders and women into religious positions. It is the major world religions who put down women and third genders are the problem.

[-] AlexLost@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Hey, if the stars and planets affect people's behaviour... Just saying.

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