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Iran issues fatwa against Donald Trump: "Enemy of God" (www.newsweek.com)

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A senior cleric in Iran has issued a fatwa declaring that anyone who threatens Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is "an enemy of God," state media has reported.

Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi was responding to a question about any threats made by U.S. President Donald Trump and the leaders of Israel, including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

A fatwa is a ruling on how to interpret Islamic law issued by a clerical authority.

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[+] infyrian@kbin.melroy.org 129 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

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[-] Cheems@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago

That and an extreme lack of empathy, which is confusing

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago

Most organized religions don't cultivate empathy, especially the ones considered Abrahamic. It probably inhibits it.

It's all about their gods saying "do these things and you won't suffer at my hands." Followers don't get to think about whether something is correct or the right thing to do. They're too busy thinking about if it's going to count as a sin.

Having lived in Utah for way too long, I have seen this among the Mor[m]ons. They'll do "good works" but it's very impersonal most of the time.

It's about grinding the maximum blessings with the least amount of effort. That doesn't lend itself to empathy.

Especially with the whole temple thing. Spend a couple of hours cosplaying as an avatar for a dead person and still get all the blessings as if you helped a living person in a tight spot.

[-] olympicyes@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

It’s bizarre given how explicit the teachings of Jesus are. It’s very clear that many churches are cults following the teachings of man, only nominally accepting the word of God

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Most organized religions don’t cultivate empathy, especially the ones considered Abrahamic. It probably inhibits it.

This is simply false.

https://theconversation.com/us-muslims-gave-more-to-charity-than-other-americans-in-2020-170689

We found that Muslim Americans gave more to charity, donating an average of $3,200, in 2020, versus $1,905 for other respondents. They also differed from non-Muslims in many ways. For example, nearly 8.5% of their contributions supported civil rights causes, compared with 5.3% of the general public.

All observant Muslim adults with the means to do so are expected to give to charity in adherence to faith-based traditions. One, known as Zakat, is more formal and among the five pillars of Islam that Muslims are expected to adhere to. Another, sadaqah, happens voluntarily.

That made us want to see if religiosity played a role with the charitable patterns of U.S. Muslims. It turns out that Muslims who displayed higher levels of religiosity, such as by praying more often, were also more likely to give to charity than those who prayed less frequently. We found similar trends among non-Muslims.

https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/british-muslims-give-four-times-the-average-uk-donor-report-says.html

British Muslims are the most generous group in the UK, giving more than four times as much money to charity each year than the average Brit, according to new research.

The researchers saw this across all income brackets and it rose to its highest amongst those earning between £75,000-£100,000.

Muslims in the UK are also twice as likely as the British average to raise money via community events and via personal challenges such as running marathons, the report says.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

Keep fighting the good fight, man. I've given up on getting Lemmy atheists to abandon any but the most insane of positions (and even then they dig in their heels half the time).

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago

Imagine judging all organized religions using Mormons out of all people as your basis.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Or any sort of American-based religion tbh. Christianity (the rites and added Roman things, not the supposed core of Jesus' teachings) is a mess in itself, but then you have Evangelicals and megachurches and whatever other crazy and distinctively American branches they have over there that I'm not surprised that's their only understanding of religion. Religion is about self-control, everything else is wind.

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[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

The thing I found out when I was a manager is you will get exactly what you measure. If you measure how long it takes to close tickets your customer service will suffer (that's a stupid thing to measure anyway, but we had a stupid director). If you measure the number of tickets closed then you'll get each step of a process as a ticket. If you measure billable hours you'll get a bunch of time padding.

So since the religion is measuring the amount of sin and (in some denominations cases) good works performed, that's what you'll get. How many of the big 10 did you stay on the right side of? Did you put in 2 hours at the soup kitchen? Cool, here's your ticket to heaven. It's not measuring how good you are to your fellow humans. And they're pissed if you don't have to follow the same rules they do because you don't believe in the same sins. So they try to force others to live by their dumb ass rules instead of trying to get others to be good people.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago

I cannot speak for other religions but for Islam that is completely false.

Intention is crucial to the evaluation of an action. An outwardly good deed with bad intention is worth nothing, and a bad deed done out of good intention will see forgiveness in its punishment.

See for instance: https://islamweb.net/en/article/156996/the-intention-is-the-foundation-of-every-action

A famous hadith (saying by the Prophet, blessings and peace be upon him) goes as follows (translation of the meaning):

The first of men (whose case) will be decided on the Day of Judgment will be a man who died as a martyr. He shall be brought (before the Judgment Seat). Allah will make him recount His blessings (i. e. the blessings which He had bestowed upon him) and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his life).
(Then) will Allah say: What did you do (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I fought for Thee until I died as a martyr.
Allah will say: You have told a lie. You fought that you might be called a" brave warrior". And you were called so.
(Then) orders will be passed against him and he will be dragged with his face downward and cast into Hell.

Then will be brought forward a man who acquired knowledge and imparted it (to others) and recited the Qur'an. He will be brought And Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime). Then will Allah ask: What did you do (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I acquired knowledge and disseminated it and recited the Qur'an seeking Thy pleasure. Allah will say: You have told a lie. You acquired knowledge so that you might be called" a scholar," and you recited the Qur'an so that it might be said:" He is a Qari" and such has been said.
Then orders will be passed against him and he shall be dragged with his face downward and cast into the Fire.

Then will be brought a man whom Allah had made abundantly rich and had granted every kind of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make him recount His blessings and he will recount them and (admit having enjoyed them in his lifetime).
Allah will (then) ask: What have you done (to requite these blessings)?
He will say: I spent money in every cause in which Thou wished that it should be spent.
Allah will say: You are lying. You did (so) that it might be said about (You):" He is a generous fellow" and so it was said.
Then will Allah pass orders and he will be dragged with his face downward and thrown into Hell.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

🙏 Someone with some sources instead of the usual lemmy circlejerk

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[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A Jesus Christ complex would be refreshing. A leader who would deny earthly pleasures, command their followers to love thy neighbor, feed the hungry, uplift the sick and poor, give long sermons about mercy and forgiving your enemies, and would be seen personally breaking bread with the unhoused and lawyers alike?

That'd freak everybody out for sure.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

"I inherited a lot of power and connections from my parents, I must be a god"

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[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 66 points 1 month ago

He's not wrong

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[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago

Religion is about control

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Yup, and always has been. Came to this conclusion when I was young and I cannot see it any other way.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Jesus said very specifically to feed, clothe, and house people in need, and that even letting the poor live on your property and eat your food isn't enough to keep you out of hell if you don't actually keep them safe and fed enough. He REALLY insisted, he talked about prisoners rights repeatedly. I've never heard of a single church trying to improve prisoners lives. Not one. Someone did the math and discovered that if every building used for religious worship sponsored two people. Housed two homeless people, there would be no homelessness. That's it. Two people. Now assuming just Christian churches would make those numbers harder, let's go ahead and double that number even though that's impossible because the majority of places of worship are Christian in the US by a lot more than 50%, but let's just pretend it's 4 people a Christian church. That's VERY LITTLE EFFORT that would end all homelessness in America.

Try and build a halfway house anywhere in the US and what happens? Thousands of people suddenly are motivated to show up to town hall meetings and sign petitions!

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[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 month ago

Babe wake up, abrahamic religion is fighting again.

[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Oh like trump is relgious

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

He’s not, but the fundamentalist Christians have decided he’s their hero.

[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 month ago

[-] tal@lemmy.today 35 points 1 month ago

Donald Trump: "Enemy of God"

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20g1zvgj4do

'Anointed by God': The Christians who see Trump as their saviour

This timeline.

[-] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

Yeah, no shit. I'm with Iran on this one.

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

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[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago

Trump: Putting the "fat" in "fatwa" since 1946.

[-] voodooattack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

putting the “fat” in “fatwa”

Just how long have you been waiting to use this one?

[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Hey. If it happens you won't hear me complain.

He needs to go. The who how and why doesn't matter so long as he's gone. That's a win for the entire human race.

[-] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I was gonna say that it would only be unfortunate due to giving them a reason to attack Iran, but history has shown us that doesn't matter. We'll do that regardless. If we dont have a reason we've been happy to just make one up.

At this point its really just a matter of not wanting to actually fight America on the battlefield.

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[-] GoobyMcMooby@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 month ago

I don’t necessarily vibe with the processes to reach the declaration nor do I reflexively support the orator, but I can’t say I disagree

[-] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 22 points 1 month ago

oh look. a nothing-falafel

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Ask Salman Rushdie about that.

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[-] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago

Oh please. And what are you gonna do about it? Dare you. Double dog dare you!

I mean, really lol go ahead

[-] korsystems@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

Well, Trump is an insult to anyone with more than one functioning brain cell

[-] D_C@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here's a comprehensive list why killing the orange Shitgibbon is a bad idea:
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[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Let's just hope that if anything ever happens, the event takes large parts of the succession line with it.

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[-] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 19 points 1 month ago

He is the enemy of literally everyone, so, I guess God is also on that list 😂

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 month ago

It's unclear how Khamenei will navigate the crisis his regime faces but as his credibility collapses

Propaganda. How is his credibility collapsing?

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Without checking the context, Iran and their proxies got hit a bunch and turned the other cheek, so in the game theoretic sense, yes, none of their threats will be credible now.

The conventional smart move would have been to start gradually blowing Isreali and American stuff up the moment Hazbollah was attacked. It sounds they might actually have some kind of twisted, theocratic idealism that got in the way of that.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

More like enemy of men, both of youse

[-] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Feels like deja vu to when Bin Laden issues a jihad against the US, but this time it is much more personal - Trump got called out.

[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 8 points 1 month ago

[-] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

As much as I'd like to see this sadistic shitbag removed from society anyway possible, it would be preferable to see him in jail or let the Big Macs take care of him. If an assassination is tied to Iran, that can't be good for anyone.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

During the WW II the Allies did not consider assassinating Hitler, because they knew who was fucking everything up. The lunatic cleric should realize Mango Mussolini is weakening the USA.

[-] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

This will be fun to watch over the next few years.

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[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Oh he's an enemy to far more than just some imaginary friend.

[-] hemmes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I didn’t disparage, there was no disparage!

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