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[-] Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com 97 points 3 months ago

Rich men created the system. They’re doing absolutely fine. Patriarchy has always been about class, fundamentally.

[-] Gingerbeardman@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Yep, which is a reason why 'patriarchy' is often a poor term for systems of power. The elites are elevated because they are wealthy, to a far greater extent than being elevated because they are male. Telling working class and impoverished men that the system is designed to benefit them is only going to push them towards right-wing populists like Trump who are selling fake solutions to their problems.

[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 3 months ago

Almost as if just a certain class of men created the system.

[-] dandelion 15 points 3 months ago

patriarchy both elevates and victimizes men, just like how racism both elevates and victimizes whites

[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago

Absolutely, which is why this post makes even less sense.

[-] dandelion 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

you mean why the post makes so much sense ... it's literally pointing out the paradoxical situation of patriarchy - that it victimizes the same class it simultaneously elevates to create the hierarchy in the first place, which is crazy

[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

But again, the class of men who invented this game and keeps reinventing is not the class currently failing. So why equate them.

[-] dandelion 2 points 3 months ago

who said we are? feminism doesn't equate all men as equally privileged nor equally guilty, that's just a myth - feminism to the contrary is pointing out the way patriarchy victimizes men and women, and the way a minority of men perpetuate the violence and system of patriarchy.

[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I am not saying you are. This meme is. And I most definitely agree with your definition of feminism.

It's just that this meme strikes me as having an undertone of "look at these stupid men, they can't even rig the game right". Which isn't a popular opinion in real feminist circles (as far as I can tell) but a popular one in certain extremely online versions of feminism.

[-] Commiunism@beehaw.org 39 points 3 months ago

No, the current class society is dominated and shaped by the bourgeois (business owners/capitalists) and not some evil collective gender cabal. It's in the interests of this ruling class to oppress women, given how they can pay them less, have them stay at home raising children for free via unpaid labor who them grow up to being workers to have surplus value extracted from, and therefore exploited in the future. These future workers can be both men and women, and they're getting fisted regardless of one's gender.

Removing this class element from women's struggle and making it solely about one's gender is genuinely harmful, as it makes others blind to the true cause of the oppression.

[-] TheFriendlyDickhead@feddit.org 20 points 3 months ago

Where exactly are men falling behind?

[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 months ago

Education, homelessness, incarceration, life expectancy, mental heath, suicide, addiction, loneliness

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