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[-] teft@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago

Lack of inner monologue doesn’t mean lack of thoughts. People without an inner monologue just don’t think in words. They can still think up concepts and ideas like everyone else.

[-] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

As someone with an inner monologue, how do they think?

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

I don't really have an inner monologue unless I very intentionally think in words. Otherwise I just think in thoughts. 🤷‍♀️

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

With imagery, or in abstracts. I have an internal monologue but not everything is a monologue. If I'm working on a project of some kind I'll usually keep a mental model of the current piece I'm working on in my head. There's no monologue attached, it's just a "working copy" of my current task.

Or for example if I'm reaching somewhere I can't see to plug in a usb port or something I'm visualizing in my head what my hand is doing, but I'm not talking myself through it.

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In pictures, for one example

[-] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is the best example, thank you.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

What everyone else here said but also keep in mind it's not binary.

If you ask me to picture an Apple on a windowsill I can kind of do that. And then if you ask me to make it polka dot, I could kind of do that. In my mind's eye though it's like it's severely myopic. It's not fuzzy but the details are not there.

When I'm drawing things, the act of me putting the marks on the paper is where the object is formed. I generally don't have a solid concept in my head that's coming out on paper. I could definitely do the 2D outline of an apple, But if you want me to perspective skew it there's no way. I might be able to draw the 2D outline and then slowly modify that to make it look more 3D, But I've got to be making changes to something already on paper rather than having something come out that's just kind of the right direction.

[-] some_random_nick@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

There was a thread on r/SamHarris (maybe 2 years ago) where some people without inner monologue answered questions. It was interesting to read.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 50 points 3 weeks ago

Just because you don't have an inner monologue doesn't mean you are incapable of thought, or showerthoughts if we're getting specific

[-] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Correct, a lack of inner speech isn't the same as an absence of thought

It just seems like a true shower thought requires a narration to get so incredibly off tangent that it amounts to more than a simple epiphany

Like Mitch Hedberg, he is a great example of someone who let their inner speech run free

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago

https://mander.xyz/post/20289088

I'd still argue against that. I've had one true showerthought and it didn't manifest as monologue, even though I do have an internal monologue. I had a concept and images for it. I spent some time trying to put it into words.

I still don't see how a showerthought (or any thought) has to have a verbal origin in the thinker's mind; I would argue any internal monologue is but a secondary step after a thought has occurred. I've never heard of anyone being unable to predict what their own internal monologue is saying, and I've never heard of anyone being unable to make quick decisions because they had to first hear a command in their minds.

[-] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago

Conservatives explained.

[-] kirkoman@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 weeks ago

Google gave me mostly AI slop and pop psychology, but this article is an in-depth summary of the literature on the topic of inner speech, for anyone interested (and dedicated - it’s long and very technical).

It doesn’t seem to justify dichotomizing people into those who “have it” and those who don’t. Research looks mostly focused on what cognitive or developmental purpose it serves.

Inner speech can be defined as the subjective experience of language in the absence of overt and audible articulation. This definition is necessarily simplistic: as the following will demonstrate, experiences of this kind vary widely in their phenomenology, their addressivity to others, their relation to the self, and their similarity to external speech.

So, it’s on a spectrum, highly subjective, and difficult to talk about with precision.

I personally do not normally think in words, but I certainly rehearse/relive conversations. I also complain to myself with words when I am really miserable, I think it’s comforting to “say it out loud” (inside). Do I have an inner monologue?

[-] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

You just described how you monologue like a villian in your head, so yeah you're monologueing xD

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

I process thoughts visually, as typed text. It’s like a fucking ticker tape when I get going having random thoughts and I definitely experience shower thoughts.

[-] MinorLaceration@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Do people without an inner monologue "hear" the words they read as they read them?

[-] modeler@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Many people do not hear as they read. In fact the skill of speed-reading depends on turning the auditory experience off:

There are three types of reading:

  • Subvocalization: sounding out each word internally, as reading to oneself. This is the slowest form of reading.
  • Auditory reading: hearing out the read words. This is a faster process.
  • Visual reading: understanding the meaning of the word, rather than sounding or hearing. This is the fastest process.

Subvocalization readers (Mental readers) generally read at approximately 250 words per minute, auditory readers at approximately 450 words per minute and visual readers at approximately 700 words per minute. Proficient readers are able to read 280–350 wpm without compromising comprehension.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_reading

[-] MinorLaceration@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Nice. I'm definitely in the auditory reading category. I tend to just pick out the key words in a sentence when I am trying to read faster.

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

As a child and into my teens, I had an inner monologue that was switched on all the time. After practising meditation and reading without subvocalisation, I was finally able to 'shut up' where stopping the monologue was as easy as stopping talking. Anyway, I'd encourage anyone to give it a try. Now being able to think without distracting chatter is well worth it for me.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 12 points 3 weeks ago

... Are you suggesting we are incapable of thought? My mind wanders just like anyone else's.

[-] ChexMax@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Wait am I confused on what an inner monologue is? Is it different from a train of thought? Do I just think I have one? Do people have a non metaphorical inner monologue where they physically hear thoughts? What percent are they in control of the thoughts?

If your mind wanders, isn't that the inner monologue?

[-] cholesterol@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The inner monologue is thinking by 'hearing' your own voice 'speaking' in your mind. It's the mental equivalent of literally talking to yourself.

Do people have a non metaphorical inner monologue where they physically hear thoughts?

Yes, in the sense that they hear themselves 'voicing' out their own thoughts. If you have the ability to form images in your mind, it's like that, but with sound.

[-] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I distinctly recall thinking inner monologues were a "neat idea" after seeing them on TV as a child and thinking it would be a useful skill to learn. I never did though

[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I was today years old when I learned that many people don't have an inner monologue. The human body is so fascinating.

Oddly enough, if I don't take my ADHD meds, I tend to talk to myself out loud a lot because my inner monologue gets kind of "muffled" in the "noise" and I rely on it very heavily to think through.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Is it just quiet all the time?

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

In my case, in the sense of "hearing" then yes. I still have thoughts and my mind wanders and whatnot; it just doesn't need something else overtop of that

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

That's what's confusing me, unless I'm specifically trying to create an image, hearing me talk to myself is all I got going on in there. What am I missing out on?

[-] Alk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't have a monologue. For me, it's images, concepts, ideas, and feelings all combined to make realistic depictions of the world and my ideas in my head. I don't actually know how fast inner monologues go, if they're as fast as normal talking or what, but my thoughts happen in an instant. I can picture myself going to the grocery store, what I need, where I park, where to walk, all in like a millisecond. It's more like one single thought than several individual thoughts. And I can see and feel it and sometimes even "do" it in my head. Nothing is described with words.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, I get background music because I don’t need “sound” for my thoughts. Generally it’s nice, sometimes it’s baby shark

[-] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

I for once have an outer monologue. Makes for awkward moments whenever my SO hears me...

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

Tangentially related, but the fox game show “1% club” is, perhaps unintentionally, a fascinating demonstration of how vastly different people think through logic problems.

The premise is the contestants go through a series of questions already asked to a sample of Americans and progress in order of how “difficult” they are based on how many got them wrong.

The interesting part comes when there can be a significant gap in what I perceive the difficulty to be between questions. Sometimes I may have trouble with an “easy” one but get a significantly “tougher” one no problem.

It seems like lunacy to me, but all it really means most times is the format or mechanics of the logic needed for the answer is just more natural to me than the majority of the sample.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Buddy you can just think out loud in the shower, nobody will stop you. For that matter you can think I got a lot pretty much anywhere, though you do get looks in the grocery store I find.

[-] 200ok@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I can't tell whether I'm envious or scared

[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Up to as much as more than half of all people.

[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah, my bottom half also doesn't have an inner monologue.

[-] Krejall@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 weeks ago

I have an inner monologue but it's on like a half-second delay behind the actual thought. Like, I can picture a pineapple without thinking of the word pineapple first. Sometimes an entire sentence worth of meaning will form in an instant but the words don't come until I'm trying to speak or type the thought out. Sometimes I can't access a word at all, even though the concept is clear in my head and I know there is a specific word for this specific flavor of the concept.

Also, I can't rotate a cube in my mind's eye, but I can rotate a chicken.

Brains are weird.

[-] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think it's more than half, and I think the other half just touches themselves in private areas too taboo to mention on a Christian oriented site like Lemmy. Let's just say, stay away from the devil' jewels kiddos.

[-] Mothra@mander.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago

You're in the right lemmy instance I see

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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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