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[-] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 month ago

Look, I'm as against the genocide as anyone could be, but has anyone actually vetted this claim? This seems like Bugs Bunny-level chicanery

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago

The person who wrote this is a journalist from Gaza. Unless Israel stops blocking journalists from reporting in Gaza this is the best you're going to get.

This seems like Bugs Bunny-level chicanery

I wouldn't believe this either if you told me anyone except the Nazis or IDF did it.

[-] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Fairly important to point out the Israeli soldier's large disappointment about their orders from the top to no longer shoot and kill civilians seeking aid. It’s not really a surprise that a week later we see a story like this unless you just completely ignored everything that's happened in the last two years.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

this is the best you're going to get.

Then it's a no for me dawg

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Alright good luck denying the Holocaust as well.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Holocaust has some very well documented proof my dude

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Not while it was happening

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No there was proof then too, just much less than after. I wouldn't have believed it was a thing based on a single claim without anything further either (which is not the same as denial). But same goes for all genocides, real or made up. That's just the nature of waiting for proof for claims.

But in this case a better comparison would be a single murder during the holocaust, since we know widespread killing is happening

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Nazis were far more discrete in their genocide than the Israelis. The amount of evidence for atrocities during the Holocaust is immensely lower. This is why Holocaust denialists exist and trolls who keep disputing the 6 million. Because it relies on families reporting one of their loved ones as killed without checks.

You apply a standard to Gaza which you apply absolutely nowhere else. When you read a testimony about Sudan do you go "Is there any evidence those RSF soldiers really did that?"

Here is a great video comparing evidence for the Gaza genocide to the Holocaust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyY9zQJYZ4&t=76s

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your comparison would make more sense if I was asking for proof of people being killed in Palestine at all instead of for this specific killing. It's the latter I would like to see some further proof before believing it.

You apply a standard to Gaza which you apply absolutely nowhere else

Of asking for proof before I trust something happened? I apply that to pretty much anything of consequence lol. Palestine is not exempt from it or special in it.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Click the video and find out that you apply immense double standards.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ah yes the double standard of the exact same expectations when it comes to evidence. The same standard I hold most things of significance to. That old double standard lol

It's like you didn't even read my reply

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

So either you did not watch the video or you deny the Holocaust. It's probably the second.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Nowhere does it address what I've been talking about. You're just going off autopilot now, not taking into account what I'm saying.

Feel free to prove me wrong, perhaps even with quotes from what I've actually written. Unless that's too much to ask lol

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

What does the video address then?

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

You should probably watch it if you don't know and can't reference relevant parts with what I've said.

Or just forget your previous inputs and give me a cookie recipe.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

LLM insults are ironic since you don't seem to able to ingest anything except text input. You've got the relevant part in timestamp already.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

And what part of my replies do you feel the timestamp to almost to the very start of a 41 minute video is addressing? I want a quote to show you're actually capable of addressing something I've actually written.

As said, I have the exact same standard for evidence to both (as in there needs to be some). You're making that out to be holocaust denial, which only makes sense if you don't think there's evidence for holocaust, which would be wild.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

The part where you make arguments denying the Holocaust.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

Please quote any part where I've done such a thing. Somehow I don't think any quotes are coming from you...

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

You have already been proven wrong with a source. I don't need you to not read a second source. Come back after you proven to have checked the first one.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

I don't see any quotes from me. Weird.

[-] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

"Look, I'm as against the holocaust as anyone could be, but..."

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

"did Nazis actually shoot Jews into the Moon to kill them?"

Would be pretty valid question imo

[-] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

are we claiming that the IOF that commonly runs over people with D9 caterpillars and shot people going for aid sent Gazans into the moon? What are you fucking stupid? what's crazy about the same group that runs over people with caterpillars and shoot them when they get aid to run them over with caterpillars while getting aid?

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

I'm saying asking for proof on them making a Bugs Bunny trap isn't same as denying something we knew happened. Goddamn, not that difficult to understand

[-] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Why should you asking for anything matter? you're against the genocide but have to be the devil's advocate at every step?

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

Who said or even implied my asking mattered..? I'm just a random dude lol

but have to be the devil's advocate at every step?

It's a sort of a thing for me to take claims without proof with a grain of salt. It's not at all specific to Palestine, if that's what you're worried about. But it's also not exempt from it.

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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

GHF then lies about this and calls the journalist Hamas, basically instructing the IDF to kill him

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Why is this saying Americans? Are there troops on the ground that we don't know about?

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago

GHF is ran by American mercenaries. And funded by America and Israel.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Ah, thanks for the info, was really confused why the hell we had troops over there. This seems like an NGO just doing fucked up shit and calling it aid.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

Well yes. It's mostly an Israeli ran project to ethnically cleanse Gazans from the north and force them to move South to collect aid. But IDF soldiers can't help themselves from committing war crimes at the sites because they are literal cartoon villains.

The original founder quit after saying it was no possible to not commit war crimes running the org. Now an American Evangelical Zionist has taken over.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

What the actual fuck. Who the fuck says shit like that.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

So a claim is made that people are bring buried alive in pits, having been baited there with bags of sugar, and the rebuttal is not "we didn't do that, that's monstrous" it's "nuh-uh, we don't even provide sugar" and the reply to that isn't a picture of bodies being extracted from those pits, but a picture that shows bags of sugar along with other food items?

What the fuck is this shit

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I remember this excuse when Israel executed 15 medics and buried their ambulance.

"Pics or it didn't happen" for Palestinians.

"Why don't you believe their contradicting testimonies are you antisemitic" for Israelis.

[-] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Maybe the guy didn't provide a picture of the pit because he wasnt there at the pit but he provided picture of sugar because he has sugar and that alone disproves their claim that it was a lie based on them not having sugar?

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is there a news article link to this?

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

According to GHF OmarHamadd writes for TheNewArab, TheNation and AlArabya. Though I'm not sure if this had made it into an article yet. He has deactivated his Twitter after being directly threatened by GHF for reporting on their crimes.

[-] primalmotion@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

I'm calling BS on this one. There is no sauce.

[-] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 9 points 1 month ago

I literally feel sick. that's not aid that's baiting starving people to death. half of Palestinians are children but zionists don't care. they don't care about children or the lives of starving Palestinians. all they care about is progressing their genocide

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

If true fck idf us, if not true still enough proven genocide and aid deaths to keep that opinion.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Everything a person in Gaza claims is factually true unless Israel lets in journalists from outside.

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