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Democracy at work.

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[-] Muffi@programming.dev 103 points 2 years ago

Fucking scary how quickly people are willing to denounce a protest, just because it causes slight inconvenience for the everyday citizen. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT! We're so addicted to convenience, and the only way people will wake up from their consumption-hypnosis, is through forced inconvenience.

[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Nah, bro, protest all you want but far away from everyone,, where no one can see you /s

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[-] kozy138@lemm.ee 74 points 2 years ago

I honestly believe blocking roads the most effective way to protest in today's society.

It's one of the few ways that's dreamed "illegal" to protest. And most governments will do anything in it's power to clear the roads, including imprison people.

People need to realize that being late to work doesn't actually matter, but the state of the climate does. We need more road blocks. Some without people too, just barricades.

[-] Milksteaks@midwest.social 23 points 2 years ago

The protests are pretty good and everything imo, but what needs to happen is burning down oil refineries or violence against CEOs and billionaires tbh. Nothing is going to change as long as the line continues to go up for the investor class

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago
[-] rigglesbee@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

People also need to realize that you're not just making people late to work by blocking roads. There are people going to receive medical care, emergency services, picking up their children, buying food, and otherwise providing for their families. I'm not saying these problems don't need attention, but please find another way.

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It is customary to allow emergency services to pass through blockades. But for other people, interrupting the economy is literally the point. The economy is destroying the means of habitability of this planet.

[-] sjmulder@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This blockade isn’t preventing any of that, there are small diversions. A mild inconvenience at worst.

Roads are regularly closed for events (which do not enjoy constitutional protection as a human right, as protests do) and roadworks.

Finally the other ways are being done. There was a simultaneous protest on a field nearby. There are regular marches, die-ins, sit-ins - you name it, it’s being done.

[-] foo@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago

You can make arguments like this for all forms of protests and the planet continues to burn.

What is an acceptable level of protest? Joining r/climatechange and upvoting the circle jerk?

[-] sirjash@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

What are you suggesting? That people find a way that doesn't impact anything in any way and can easily be ignored? And today's climate protests are easily the most non-violent protests the West has seen in a long time.

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago

A protest that isn't inconveniencing anybody isn't a protest

[-] bermuda@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago

As long as they let emergency vehicles through

[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago

That's a given on all public gatherings. Emergency vehicles (i.e. ambulance and fire brigade) have to have way of right, but people know that.

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

being late to work doesn't actually matter

Tell that to the employers and parole officers. Being late to work matters quite a lot to a lot of people who are already disenfranchised.

We can blame a cruel criminal justice system, or we can say that the price is worth it. Maybe it is, just don't pretend that there aren't consequences.

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[-] sjmulder@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Be aware that street blockade are not, as a rule, categorically excluded as a valid way of protesting and that this stretch to road is not in fact a highway - a sign says a much and the speed limit is 50km/h. There are traffic lights at both ends and detours are just a few 100 meters.

Furthermore the public prosecutor doesn’t charge the protestors because judges have ruled repeatedly that these are peaceful and orderly protests and hence people are acquitted or not sentenced.

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[-] guriinii@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

I saw a video of this and these police are firing the water cannons at children and families, which is just horrible.

[-] EpicGamer@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Maybe don't bring your childeren to walk on a highway. There are plenty of other ways to effectively protest

[-] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago
[-] eltimablo@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

Well, for starters, walking on a highway without your children.

[-] Artemis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

Any way that EpicGamer can conveniently ignore, obviously.

[-] sjmulder@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It’s the mayor’s choice to mass arrest people and send in water cannons. He could have facilitated the protes, in fact the the government is by law obligated to attempt to facilitate protests in the way the protestors intend to have them.

It’s telling that the prosecutor doesn’t even attempt to charge those arrested - they write on their own website that judges have ruled these protests to be peaceful and orderly.

[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago

C A R B R A I N

[-] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 23 points 2 years ago

Police said that they're fine that they're protesting the system, but that they wish it didn't involve them having to act. They don't realize that they're part of the system...

[-] cloud@lazysoci.al 11 points 2 years ago

aljazeera link? i'm sure there are better sources

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 years ago

Aljazeera is pretty good as long as it's not reporting on middle east affairs or Kuwait itself.

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago

Qatar actually. I make this mistake too.

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 years ago

And the BBC is good? If you have a good idea of a mainstream medium's biases, you'll be fine. Al Jazeera will have an obvious bias in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Palestine. If they don't have a beef with a country, they'll be fairly critical and well informed.

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[-] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

if i was dutch police, I wouldn't have done that. It seems Squack.y

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Most Dutch people don't like what these activists are doing.

It's a beautiful day in September and they are blocking access to one of our biggest cities and one of the most beloved beaches.and creating huge traffic jams due to that.

It's quite likely that our Parliament will pass a law similar to the UK to criminalize the blocking of infrastructure.

[-] hillbicks@feddit.de 58 points 2 years ago

Right, because 30°C in the middle of September is totally normal and in no way an indication that climate change is about to get completely out for control.

Let's just go to the beach, everything is fine and we don't have to change anything, let alone something that will inconvenience us.

Temperatures in September are already past 1,5 degree increase. We need to do something. Now.

Can I ask what your solution is?

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

pretty sure the Dutch don't have enough time left to not be underwater.

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[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 37 points 2 years ago

If they don't like being inconvenienced for a couple of minutes, wait till they hear about the climate crisis!

[-] mambabasa@slrpnk.net 33 points 2 years ago

Oh so instead of decisive action on the climate crisis, they'll just criminalize climate activism. Democracy at work. Noted.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Tyranny of the majority.

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[-] posttoast@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

That’s quite the statement. Support for XR is growing with every protest. So “most Dutch”? I wouldn’t be so sure about that…

[-] Rozauhtuno 19 points 2 years ago

Good, that will stop the planet from burning, right?

[-] sjmulder@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 years ago

Protests are allowed and expected to cause inconvenience, protestors are under no obligation to minimise inconvenience, and inconvenience is not legal ground for a mayor to limit or ban a protest.

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[-] CaliguLlama@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Most Dutch people don't like what these activists are doing.

Source?

blocking access to one of our biggest cities and one of the most beloved beaches

Yeah because the only way to get to Scheveningen is to take that small piece of highway? How about any of the other ways leading into or around The Hague? They aren't blocking access to The Hague or Scheveningen, there isn't one singular road in or out.

It's quite likely that our Parliament will pass a law similar to the UK to criminalize the blocking of infrastructure.

Source?

Don't pretend to speak for the rest of our country because you obviously don't and don't dramatize the blockage of a small section of 'highway' in the middle of a city as being a blockage of access to the entire city.

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[-] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Mmmm tasty tasty boot

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[-] lntl@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

@Blake@feddit.uk Thought you'd be interested in this story: dutch folks were protesting fossil fuel subsidies and got water cannoned. All of this fossil fuel subsidy money could build out carbon free energy generation and transmission.

[-] Blake@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the level of state investment and subsidy in fossil fuel is absolutely ludicrous. If all of the money spent on subsidising fossil fuels was instead put into investment of renewables, that would DOUBLE the investments on renewables. It wouldn’t double the subsidy, it would double TOTAL SPENDING.

That is absolutely eye-watering to me.

If they want to keep fuel prices low, the best thing to do would be to nationalise all corporations in the fossilfuel industry - with a symbolic payment of $0.01 per share or something like that - and run them to completely forego profit and to put those companies intentionally into decline.

[-] Skkorm@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

This what police do. Being a cop is being a class traitor, it's choosing to be a tool of oppression.

Even if that isn't the cop's goal when joining the police force, oppression is what they are consenting to. ACAB isn't just a buzzword. It's the reaction to the reality of that job. No cop is a good cop.

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