A 'Treaty of Versailles' type solution is not a good idea for durable peace though, harsh reparations, despite any sense they might be 'fair', seldom lead to both countries returning to be prosperous democratic countries (and to be clear, neither is a capitulation by Ukraine - that would be seen by Putin as locking in its current gains, with no real incentive not to try again for more despite what the treaty might say).

The best outcome for everyone is if Russia ends up being a genuinely pluralistic democracy (i.e. anyone in Russia can have political views, and the public selects its leadership in free and fair elections). Then Ukraine can normalise relations with Russia, and Russia stops being a threat to democratic institutions across the world as a whole.

I think the best way of thinking about it is not that Ukraine has a Russia problem, but rather that Ukraine and Russia have an oligarch problem (with Putin chief amongst them). Therefore, in a fair world, the oligarchs, and not the Russian people, would pay. It is true that Russians (and indeed some Ukrainians in occupied regions) have been radicalised by the oligarchs, so some kind of deradicalisation would be needed even if the oligarchs disappeared.

Solutions that look to negotiate how to reduce corruption and authoritarianism in Russia from the top are therefore the most likely to succeed long term. Shorter term solutions could include a negotiated end to hostilities coupled with agreements for Ukraine to join a defensive alliance that the oligarchs wouldn't consider provoking - which could be followed up by a carrot approach to easing sanctions in exchange for progressive movements towards genuine Russian democracy. This might give oligarchs enough push to take off ramps to cash in what they have plundered already, and slowly be replaced by less corrupt alternatives going forward.

Recovery from oligarchy for Russia might also by costly for Russia though - essential assets plundered from the USSR are now in private hands through crony capitalism; the best solution would be for many of the major ones to go back to or be rebuilt under state ownership, under genuine democratic leadership. But that is likely easier said than done given the state of Russia.

And Russia Surrenders a 10km deep strip of its own land around Ukraine to act as a DMZ.

And a 3rd party enforced DMZ on the border.

Russia can't be accepted back into the international community until Putin is in a jail cell or in the ground.

"Slava Ukraini" is fascists slogan used by, and mainly associated with, the mass murderers of hundreds of thousands of Poles and Jews. I guess that doesn't count as terrorism in your worldview.

Slava Ukraini was literally the battle cry of the OUN, which collaborated in the holocaust. Find a different motto.

It was an invasion. Invasions are wrong. That should be the beginning and end of the debate.

I take it you had to deal with the Hexbears? Idiots.

It was not shot down, here is a short video with a detailed explanation on why the most likely thing that happened was a bomb onboard.

https://youtu.be/rCUTsO6bOSo?si=fl_UixmPEqsMNI3I

No no, that was before crash.

If Putin wants to defuse tensions with NATO, he knows what to do.

With Russia packing up their shit and going back to the pre 2014 borders.

With Russia leaving. They started this war. Fuck off with your “If there isn’t going to be any peace discussions from Ukraine … how does this ever end?”

Ukraine, and only Ukraine can be the one to talk about any negotiations. I’ll back their decisions whether it’s to fight to the bitter end, or stop and give up. Their people control their destiny. Russia on the other hand is the one that could simply bring an end to this by leaving. They could have brought peace in fact by simply never killing others. You’re victim blaming. Fuck off.

Why is it that country A starts occupying parts of country B, and some people start expecting country B to have peace discussions (ie, give land to country A)? There should be calls to country A to stop occupying country B's land, and that's it.

Russia doesn't need to ask permission to leave, they just leave.

Seems like a lot fewer Russians and Ukrainians will die if the Russians left ukraine.

with all invaders dead, captured or back where they came from

It ends the second russia withdraws its troops or they are beaten out of Ukraine.

It takes two to make peace. And how can there's be peace after the mass murder, torture and kidnapping of children, destruction and death wrought upon Ukraine.

If Canada did that to the USA, how keen for peace would you be exactly?

There can only be peace if there is justice.