The US should not normalize Modi’s autocratic and illiberal India at the G20 : worldnews

[-] Bye@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

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[-] quindraco@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago

There's always a choice, but while Modi's India is a fairly bad ally, it's still better than others, like Saudi Arabia. Gotta pick your battles.

Maybe some day when the important conflicts are in a different region we can take India to task over things like their police-sanctioned cybercriminals that keep robbing the elderly.

[-] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

police-sanctioned cybercriminals that keep robbing the elderly.

Lmao. The police here are far too busy harassing innocent citizens to do that.

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Yes, they have a choice. Ignoring India's issues including that they in fact increase trade with Russia massively is not what stops them from going on like this.

[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Making an enemy of a country with 1 billion people is absurd reddit-tier kind of logic. It's far better to have a country like India as a close ally

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, but ignoring their issues doesn't make them a close ally. Just another one roughy affiliated, that knows it can do whatever without consequence other than strongly worded letters.

[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

They are a close ally and always have been unless you've been living under a rock for 50 years

[-] Ooops@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Yes, I have lived under a rock where India bought Russian military for years and is now working hard to become their new biggest trading partner... such close allies.

What you are talking about is: it could be worse and they could be openly hostile.

[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I guess you have been living under a rock because I'm still old enough to remember George Bush inviting Putin to Texas where they played golf together, and every President before him going to Moscow for diplomatic missions.

Hey, here's a video of Obama and Medvedev having a Burger together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIEByvOXwdw

I'm also old enough to remember Germany helping to build the Nord Stream pipeline:

"Nord Stream (German-English mixed expression for "North Stream"; Russian: Северный поток, Severny potok) is a network of offshore natural gas pipelines which run under the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany to provide Western Europe with natural gas"

What you're talking about is China, not India. Get your countries right. China literally has the same Hammer and Sickle Emblem on their stupid State Insignia ffs. They held a massive communist rally 2 years ago and mimic the Soviet Union in every way.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

The US already has one enemy with a billion people, why not two?

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Why would India join any sphere? India's success historically has always been from a policy of neutrality and having the Himalayan mountains block any ideas against that neutrality.

[-] regul@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago

Why would the US stop supporting autocratic and illiberal regimes now? Did we find our principles at any point in the last 70 years?

[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 21 points 2 years ago

Illiberal? The BJP party and the RSS are fascists.

[-] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Can confirm, it's literally 1939 and we force Muslims to wear gold stars and send them to concentration camps.

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

PM Modi says "Identify them by their clothes", and all over India Hindu supremacists beat Muslim men to death after forcing them praise the Hindu god Ram.
PM Modi ignores and refuses to discuss the ethnic & communal genocidal civil war in Manipur that is in its 5th month, while churches are burnt and Kukis have been ethnically cleansed from Imphal valley.
Peacefully protesting Sikh farmers are called Khalistani and terrorists while a violet hindu supremacist attacks them under Delhi police's eye.

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[-] library_napper@monyet.cc 5 points 2 years ago

Wow. Genocide is not a minimum criteria for fascism.

Fascism is characterized by an ideology that one group of people is superior to others. That's literally the ideology of the RSS. Hindu nationalism is fascism.

[-] hypna@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It's hilarious how many different definitions of fascism I see on Lemmy on a given day

[-] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Do we Indians have a server on Lemmy? just wondering.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Oh, I forgot the part where a country could be fascist without literally committing the Holocaust.

[-] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

As an Indian, this issue is far more complex than you make it out to be. I never voted for BJP but yeah, they are not fascists, but the potential is there. RSS is basically like the military wing of BJP, more accurately, BJP is the political wing of RSS.

We Indians have seen oppression under the left and the right, so we don't usually use these labels so loosely.

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

The RSS was created based on fascism and its laders were huge fans of Hitler & Mussolini.

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[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

If the goal is economic transformation, socialism works.

[-] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Socialism is like the ex we thought was too pretty but turned out not to be that pretty :(

Tried that, didn't work all that good. Although it kinda had it's advantages. I like what we have in India better

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

There's a reason Deng Xiaoping wrote what he did on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: the Soviet model of socialism wasn't as effective as it needed to be for developing countries.

[-] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

Unsure what they think letting India have only Russia to turn to would gain the US, but I promise it isn't realistic.

[-] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, no. I am all against Modi and the BJP and most of their policies (except for the Foreign policy which has been a win acc to me)

But, no. You will not punish Indians because Modi is the leader of the country. And it's not in US interest to do this either. Some idiot at the Guardian might think this, but yeah, thankfully US foreign policy heads are not this dumb.

[-] fred@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

What punishment are you talking about? Did we read the same article?

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Modi's followers are great at playing victims.

[-] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Why are you lying? You are lying and you know you are lying. You read me clearly say multiple times not only in this article that I wasn't a modi supporter. Heck, I didn't vote for the guy even though I could have thrice! So, why are you lying?

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

was I talking about you?

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[-] fred@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I notice you responded to this but didn't answer the question. There's no "punishment" referenced in the article but here you are throwing a temper tantrum. What exactly are you talking about?

[-] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I was wrong. The article goes on to say what's wrong and most of it is accurate (i.e., there are more truths than outright lies in there) but yeah, it doesn't talk about a punishment.

But I am afraid that this could be a pretext for "punishment" and the condition in India, though bad is not as bad as they describe it in here. Anyways, yeah I kinda was wrong there in talking about punishment and shit.

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[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago

Well at least he's not sending love letters to little Kim.

[-] Armen12@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Under Modi India actually made it to the moon, a feat only a few handful of countries on Earth have done. Spare me the autocrat nonsense, he's been the best thing to happen to India since 1947 when they kicked out the British

[-] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Why would anyone attribute credit to politicians for the work that scientists do ?

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Scientists need funding and public support. That's the role of politicians.

NASA would never have made it to the moon without public support for the billions of dollars that went into NASA coffers. Kennedy deserves credit for finding funding and public support for NASA.

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[-] spidercrossings@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Abey chup lawde.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago

Reminder that India is still happily trading with Russia by buying their arms and buying their oil. In fact, India and Russia together found ways to circumvent the oil price cap and most Indians support Russia in Ukraine.

India is not an American ally. They're neutral and self-interested as they've always been.

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[+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Please do. Create a different post/thread and well discuss those as well in that thread.

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