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Mastering? It's an OS not a skill.

Are really looking down on people because you open the terminal often instead of being able to click something?

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

I use Mac and also open terminal often. Then again, I’m a software engineer and I have work to do, that doesn’t include trying to troubleshoot problems with my OS.

[-] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I'm in the same position. My Linux machine is for gaming and .... Interesting tasks that could be hazardous to set up on my Mac.

The hardware quality is sublime as well. However, dailing Linux for a bit and going back to MacOS made me appreciate it more. Homebrew is a hair slow tho 😂

[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Interesting tasks that could be hazardous to set up on my Mac.

Avast! Nothing interesting to see here mateys. It just be a Linux server serving...files. The legally obtained kind, I might add. Yarrr!

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Homebrew is so convenient, yet so ridiculously slow.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I used to use ~~MacOS~~ OS X in the mid-2000s, and the reason why I liked it was precisely because it was the best UNIX.

It's a shame Apple moved away from things like bash, Applescript, Automator, Xserve, machines with toolless chassis and good upgradability, etc.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

There's a better timeline where Woz was also brought back to Apple, OS X was just another linux distro that came with Apple's very nice hardware, and the combined Linux and Mac user space meant game devs would take it seriously. Also, Mac/linux had a real foothold in the educational space again.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The technology labor market disagrees. Careers are built on mastering the Linux OS.

[-] FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Wow, really? So, basically, since 1999 or so, I could have had a built up career because I mastered the Linux OS. I have built up a career in something else totally unrelated. Do you think I'd be richer and famouser, too? Maybe I should have just thrown myself at the technology labor market and taken control of it, like I do with the terminal app. snort reapplies tape to broken glasses snort snort readjusts pocket protector prefers platform games with a penguin over a guy with a moustache snort snort

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

In software, it seems incredibly common for companies to give developers MacBooks and then have their software deployed on a linux VM in AWS.

It's just one of the lower friction corporate options for software companies. The last time I used an institutionally managed linux computer was college.

There's definitely tech jobs where you need to know linux. But there's also a ton of jobs where you don't have to know much of anything about it beyond common unix stuff, and where OS X specific knowledge is more useful.

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 9 points 1 year ago

Mastering? It's an OS not a skill.

Linux skills are often a requirement of sysadmin jobs.

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[-] Psyduck_world@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Plus MacOS is FreeBSD based, it’s no less powerful/complex than Linux.

[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're fundamentally right, but "no less powerful" is a pretty big stretch, consideration that the majority of the Internet runs on Linux servers, not Mac servers.

But your point about FreeBSD is right. It's more work, but most software built for Linux will at least run on Mac if you know your compiler flags well enough.

But if someone tries to spin up web services on a Mac, they're going to have a bad time. So I wouldn't quote say "no less powerful".

Edit: but I agree with your core point that the meme is silly and way off base.

[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Linux's big competitive advantage in web servers is licensing. You don't have to pay Apple a penny to start up a linux VM, and you don't have to contractually run it on apple hardware.

In most modern languages, the difference in building your project on linux vs OS X is basically non-existant. I've spent nearly a decade working on backend web services on company MacBooks that get deployed to a linux EC2 instance. Running the server locally makes basically no difference.

Linux's advantages are more legal than technical.

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It's this community, so yes.

[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Are really looking down on people because you open the terminal often instead of being able to click something?

Uh...No. Of course not. That would be silly.

It's all in good fun...I hope.

[-] azerial@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Mac is annoying. I think the real skill here is just being able to use a terminal. I remember when i worked at EA we had a gazillion Mac mini's to build ios apps. Due to the way apple likes to handle their certs, you had to update them often. The majority of my coworkers would use a KVM appliance to do so, but it was like 4 commands.

Terminal for the win. I think we eventually just automated it in the build system. Also Jenkins can fuck off.

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago
[-] Damage@feddit.it 19 points 1 year ago

Love that Star Trek memes are spreading to other communities.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago

But is it really a different community? Sure, the name is different, but it's probably the same people.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Literally all the meme comms are just linuxmemes.

[-] kshade@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Locked away in a box for years and suicidal?

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I've had to use a M2 pro for a month now. I expected dumb design choices. I did not expect the amount of bugs and incorrect implementations. MacOS feels like such a shitty operating system. Hardware is decent though.

[-] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

It's so bad, it feels like using an ipad. Notifications are buggy as hell and you can't even disable notification center with terminal like you could on x86 macs. I'm keeping an eye on Asahi linux but it seems a little too rough to be daily driveable yet.

Sort of unrelated but the apple support threads are all infuriating because they never answer the question. They embody the "it's not a bug" motto until it's clear there is a bug at which point they just say apple must be fixing it soon and to just keep your computer updated.

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This. In the days of 10.7 it was surprising how well everything worked together, now its a buggy mess. But everything is in the cloud bro.

Apple Music is a great example, its still old iTunes but so much shit has been stuck to it over the years it sometimes fails to play music, not even mentioning handling cloud library well. Using it makes me think im on windows.

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[-] gianni@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Considering they often have the same shell, this is pretty funny

[-] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

I copied my .zshrc from my Linux laptop to my work Mac, and yep, it all feels the same. A few minor differences (ls on Linux will allow arguments after the files, on Mac it won't) and a few things to learn (I never really used open on Linux, but it's essential on Mac), and the clipboard interface is different (xclip vs. pbcopy


but that doesn't really count, since it's a GUI thing).

[-] gianni@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The only weird difference I've run into has been the stat command behaving differently with dif args

[-] teft@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago

I approve of this message.

Glad to see my template being put to good use.

[-] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Apple: Fisher-Price of the nix world

[-] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

But man do they make great hardware.

[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

So then Windows is one of the random genocidal Soong cousins?

[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Windows is Jar Jar who somehow found his way here.

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

Hey it's me Nix but also it's me Nix flakes and that's not all it's me Nix language

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