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BUT THE CHILDREN (lemmy.world)
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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Even career choices are altering people's lives. Even if I have my guitar, sometimes I regret putting so much time, energy, and money into it, partly because of a very depressive period in my life, partly because some potential medical conditions I have make bending strings upwards on the fretboard extremely painful as it feels like my nail wants to separate from my skin, partly because my taste in music shifted a lot away from metal music. I wish I was spending that on art or something else, IDK. Still I don't want to introduce a bill that would forbid people learning the guitar before the age of 25.

[-] molten@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

This is something I know little about and want to be better informed on by anyone willing. Web searches don't pull up much and I'm hesitant to ask people in my IRL community.

So most kids don't regret it right? But it seems so iffy to let developing people make decisions like that. I had a three year phase from around 13-16 where I desperately wanted to remove my nose. Completely. (It's an ugly nose and I was an especially dumb kid). I think I would have done it/had it done if it were easier. And less painful. And maybe I'd still be chill with it if I had but man was I a strange kid. But I'm kind of glad there wasn't a good way to do it. Is this a false equivalency? And why? What age should they be allowed to begin HRT? What impacts does it have if reversed? Should kids also be allowed stuff like tattoos and alcohol? I don't like the argument that you can give kids amphetamines or make other life changing decisions for them as I'm pretty against the system that allows it and so I don't think if that's the justification I'm on board on that basis necessarily. I'm genuinely asking as I usually don't engage on this topic because it can get spicy. I'm open to opinions from anyone with one.

[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Others have given great responses there, but I just wanted to chime in my two cents. The major difference between your example and trans kids is that the latter make decisions in concert with family and medical professionals. Often times, not just a family doctor, but also a psychologist (to discuss feelings of gender incongruence) and endocrinologist (because hormones are extremely powerful, no matter which way you slice it) on top of the regular fare.

These medical professionals are making decisions based on the most up-to-date, widely held medical consensus -- which is to let trans kids transition with medical guidance. That doesn't apply in your hypothetical, because there is no agreed upon medical prognosis on kids going through identity issues (which is a normal part of psychology, whereas gender dysphoria very much is abnormal, divergence from the mean). That also goes for giving ADHD kids medication if that helps them -- not all psychs rush to push pills on kids, but if it makes a huge difference and helps a child, who are you as a layman to force them to continue suffering? Being on ADHD medication (or puberty blockers) can be a night and day difference for someone, whether they are kids or not.

Tangent: We in western society infantilize children a lot, I feel. In a lot of eastern/(global) southern culture, kids are a functional part of the household unit, almost little adults. Parents aren't afraid to give their kids some semblance of responsibility because it helps them grow. From that perspective, it seems almost odd that the west wants to coddle kids so much. Not accusing you of this, just something I've noticed.

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[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

Puberty blockers WERE the compromise between the trans community and "just asking questions" folks like yourselves. Now I'm just going to advise any teen that asks to go straight to full DIY hormone therapy ordered off the internet.

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[-] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

That's the thing they though don't have to just "cut off their nose", there puberty blockers which hit the pause button and prevent going through the wrong puberty, which they give to kids with precocious puberty without any moral outrage.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

It's just "muh parental rights" and people clinging onto their power over others.

Essentiallly, if you're not excercising overt control over your children, then you're showing to those children that do get that kind of overt control, that there's an another way of life. You have to essentially micromanage your children's life well into their adulthood, just because some scummy adults that managed to steer their children into unwanted relationships and/or shitty jobs, and you'd offend them for it.

I kind of got that kind of treatment when it comes to jobs. My stepmother really wanted me to have a "manly job" instead of becoming a programmer, because she was "concerned of me" that I will end up too weak, and also she hated working on computers because they crashed thus she believed they're "just a fad" (until facebook came). All while being too disabled to do said jobs. Things that shouldn't hurt at all are really painful for me, likely due to a mixture of pain hypersensitivity (due to then undiagnosed autism) and some skin/collagen condition. But all of these did not matter, because parents even have the right to make mistakes from time to time, and they can't be right all the time unfortunately. Result: starting college with minimal programming knowledge, while others already dabbled into OOP by that time.

For the reactionary, a parent's horrible mistake is million times more important than the child's own will, that could sometimes even save them.

[-] Googledotcom@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

To be honest idk about that, kids are pretty fucking stupid in general. Not sure if they should be allowed to do whatever they want before legal age

[-] Interstellar_1 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you are arguing against trans kids being allowed to go on puberty blockers, the impacts of going through the wrong puberty can be traumatic and have lasting effects on trans kids. Puberty blockers are safe, and it's not like you can just decide to take them anyways; there are processes that you need to go through with the medical system to make sure it's actually a decision you want to make, even with any potential side effects.

Edit: Good video on the topic, by a trans teen

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[-] dandelion 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Trans kids don't have access to surgeries, so we are talking about taking puberty blockers - which are low risk and reversible, and have been used for nearly half a century.

Even if you still think they can't choose, are you saying kids shouldn't be allowed to consent to other consequential medical decisions? What about the same exact treatment, but for cis kids? Nobody seems upset that cis kids are taking the same puberty blockers for precocious puberty let alone that cis girls can have breast reduction or augmentation surgeries (treatment trans kids don't have equal access to).

So what's the difference, why is it only suddenly a problem when the gender affirming treatment is trans?

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 7 points 5 days ago

But gender dysphoria is feeling something is wrong, that has nothing to do with intelligence

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