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[-] ComradeRachel 57 points 5 days ago

They want to be like Kyle Rittenhouse

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

That's what we all get for the far right glorifying that little shithole.

Violent Radical Right Plants! paid by sor... elon!

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 27 points 5 days ago

Today in “news that shocks no one” …

[-] 20cello@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

And that's how to start a civil war

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

If you're wielding a gun I don't think you are a protester.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago

Strong disagree. I think most protesters being armed would make for better protests.

[-] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

Cops always leave the large groups of armed people alone. I wonder why...

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

Easiest way to get gun control is start imidating the police.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

But at the same time if they didn't have trigger happy cops to deal with and "counter protesters" with guns they wouldn't need to protect themselves so aggressively. I get where you are coming from and I agree that people need to defend themselves, but if we go down this route the most likely result will just be more violence. I'm not ready to let significantly more people die just because I'm pissed off. I understand that things are bad but they can be so much worse.

On a side note, even though I disagree with you this reminded me of the episode of South Park where everyone in town gets a gun and it finally gets everyone to speak their minds about everything. And then someone, I can't remember who, says something along the lines of "wow, guns really are amazing" as they all finally get along while they all point guns at each other. Off topic as all hell, but it made me laugh.

[-] Draegur@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

good guys with guns to stop bad guys with guns.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

And that's how we ended up with cops in schools and, in some cases, teachers with guns. And that hasn't backfired whatsoever. /s

[-] Draegur@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

no lies detected.

just ... staring at the place we've arrived at with naked disgust, is all.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 5 days ago

Given that the person who accidentally shot Ah Loo also credibly prevented a mass shooting, that's not the gotcha you think it is.

[-] yogurt@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/seananigans.bsky.social/post/3lrq6xahipk2a

No they were shooting at a leftist known for legally open carrying at protests, and there's video of him just walking with the gun pointed down before he gets unexpectedly shot at.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 5 days ago

Oh, that's fucked up then. Should definitely be arrested and charged.

[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So more guns at protests being a good thing has a cutout specifically excluding ones being used for mass shootings?

[-] magic_smoke 19 points 5 days ago

Armed minorities are harder to oppress.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 5 days ago

See: Black Panthers.

[-] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

No, if you are wielding a gun I don’t think you’re a counter-protestor. That is just someone looking to shoot someone.

Protestors generally could carry a gun to defend themselves.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 4 points 5 days ago

OP, are you aware that thetrace.org is an anti American publication? Jennifer Mascia headlined this as if civilians shouldn't uphold their second amendment right to bear arms and hold tyrants accountable. Americans should call out the publication for how unAmerican that company is.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 5 days ago

"Unamerican" is just another word for "sane" and has always been save for a short period during the 1940s.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 points 5 days ago

So, are China’s genocides “sane,” after the 1940s ofc?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 5 days ago

They're not, but genocide is also a very American act gestures at manifest destiny. My point isn't that entities hostile to America are good guys by default, but that so-called American values are and have always been a farce and that supporting or opposing something depending on its "American-ness' is illogical.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 5 days ago

How are the American-ness values of liberty, arms, and the right to overthrow tyrants “insane” or “illogical”?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 5 days ago

Because those are what Americans think they believe in, not what they actually believe in when push comes to shove. You overthrow an American-aligned tyrant and you're suddenly a terrorist, the wrong people wield guns and they're suddenly taken away (see: Black Panthers) and I'd certainly like someone to tell the prison-industrial complex about the liberty stuff. Americans like to call these "American values," but if you care at all about these values and take even a cursory look through America's history and at its modern states, the only logical conclusion is to hate America's guts. Therefore, being un-American or anti-American says nothing about one's disposition towards tyranny or liberty.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 points 5 days ago

Then let’s hope to end hypocrisy as well, because the publication in the source wants to oppress by disarmament.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 6 points 5 days ago

I'll let you know as soon as we actually overthrow our tyrants and establish liberty.

[-] Ascrod@midwest.social 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-trace/

Overall, we rate The Trace left-center biased based on its political positions supporting gun control and high for factual reporting due to using highly credible sources and a clean fact check record.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Reread your quote. Leftists do not support “control,” much less that of your prohibition to arm yourself. Those are tory plights.

[-] Ascrod@midwest.social 9 points 5 days ago

They can and do support both.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 points 5 days ago

How do you support tools of oppression as a leftist?

[-] Ascrod@midwest.social 8 points 5 days ago

Because the tool of oppression can also be a tool of liberation. Because the power to take a life is also the power to save a life. Because with power comes responsibility, and if people cannot handle that responsibility then we as a society should not be granting them that power.

I can in fact be in favor of both the right to own firearms and the use of legal controls on firearms. If you can't understand that then I'm afraid I can't help you.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 5 days ago

I see. So instead of reflecting that leftist want bolt cutters, master keys, and seeds, you prefer to cognitive dissonance yourself your need to oppress instead.

Safety isn't control. And in tyrannical occupation, more tools to liberate the better. The fact you confuse the two says you want to oppress folks instead.

[-] Ascrod@midwest.social 9 points 5 days ago

I think you're just putting the words you want to hear into my mouth. Why don't you go pet a dog instead?

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 4 days ago

Ah, domestication. I see your absolution then.

Leave us praxing anarchists alone as well then. We don't want slavery and leashes.

[-] Ascrod@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago

The only boots I lick are worn by cute goth girls. Consensually, of course.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 4 days ago

How old ascrod, how old.

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I'd wager they're an American, where they believe their conservative-lite Democratic party is left leaning.

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago

thetrace.org is an anti American publication? Jennifer Mascia headlined this as if civilians shouldn't uphold their second amendment right to bear arms and hold tyrants accountable

Well, said civilians are doing a shit job right now when there's an actual tyrant... So.. Shit or get off the pot..

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 4 days ago

Shit or get off the pot

I found it hilarious disarmament folks are downvoting me to hell, when I'm not even American.

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