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At a time of growing concern over the power of the world's mighty tech companies, one German state is turning its back on US giant Microsoft.

In less than three months' time, almost no civil servant, police officer or judge in Schleswig-Holstein will be using any of Microsoft's ubiquitous programs at work.

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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 148 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The whole article is a good read but this is the important bit:

Instead, the northern state will turn to open-source software to "take back control" over data storage and ensure "digital sovereignty", its digitalisation minister, Dirk Schroedter, told AFP.

They also blame Trump which is pretty hilarious but probably not terribly relevant to the community.

[-] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 90 points 1 month ago

Trump's executive order forced Microsoft to disable access for ICC's Chief Prosecutor. So, in a sense, Trump is indeed a threat to digital sovereignty.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh, he is a threat to all types of sovereignty, in every sense.

[-] thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org 39 points 1 month ago

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The International Criminal Court’s chief prosecutor has lost access to his email, and his bank accounts have been frozen.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trumps-sanctions-on-iccs-chief-prosecutor-have-halted-tribunals-work-officials-and-lawyers-say

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago

That includes Windows, right?

Right?

[-] windowsphoneguy@feddit.org 89 points 1 month ago
[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Linux is great for government work.

They dont need compatibility as much. They have their systems only they use, therefore they can easily make them on Linux or emulate.

Otherwise they need a office suite like Libre.

And there's money to save. Benefits the whole country.

[-] dan@upvote.au 36 points 1 month ago

They have their systems only they use, therefore they can easily make them on Linux or emulate.

Also, a lot of systems are web-based (and therefore automatically multi-platform) these days.

[-] Addv4@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Don't forget, most computers are faster on Linux than on the newest windows version, so you can hold off on upgrades for longer if the hardware is physically fine, which just further decreases costs.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have a Dell laptop from 2013 I'm running Mint on 🫡

Granted, I'm only using it for web browsing and note taking, but still.

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[-] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and therefore automatically multi-platform

But not necessarily multibrowser.

Damn those people developing only for Chrome.

[-] balder1991@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

So with all this AI usage, surely developing for all browsers should be a breeze now, right? Right??

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 7 points 1 month ago

And gamers are looking to SteamOS to replace windows.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

SteamOS is not a good desktop distribution, which isn't surprising as it's not supposed to be one. It's specialised for handhelds.

Go install Ubuntu or something, really anything, ideally don't have an Nvidia GPU, install steam, done. SteamOS has no special sauce regarding running games.

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[-] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 46 points 1 month ago

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago
[-] crank0271@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Yes, but only in Europe, and no Americans are allowed. 😕

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[-] Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 month ago

I get it! It’s a fucking terrible program. At the moment I’ve got two instances of it running, one old and one new. Why the fuck? Why doesn’t all the old things transfer to the new one?

It’s also a joke to maneuver. The different subjects have “hidden” subcategories that aren’t supposed to be hidden but are! So you have two extra clicks to find the folder.. it’s a giant fucking joke that a company the size of MS can’t make this tolerable.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

I'm stuck with Teams in my job.

I fucking hate it.

[-] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 1 month ago

It crashes, it loses things, it has a lousy search function, to automate messaging you need to learn one of the arcane and convoluted MS services because they deprecated the much easier webhooks...

When something fails (and it always does) we just say "Well... it's Teams", and that sums it up.

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I'm definitely in the minority, but i really never had or have any issues with Windows or Teams like everyone seems to complain so much about. With that said, I absolutely love that they are making this move. As someone who works in the area and sees the pricing and how much our company spends on Microsoft I find it appalling and absurd that anyone is willing to spend that much on licensing... I wish I could work on a project like this just to see what the savings could be overall.

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The worst part for teams is if you do contract work and need to be a part of multiple teams instances... It's a MASSIVE fucking pain. Microsoft's login processes are absolute infuriating and even more so if you have to log in to multiple different accounts that all somehow have the same email address but different tenants without letting you know which account version is for which tenant.

We had to use slack for our internal stuff so we could always be in contact with each other because you could only be signed into one teams instance at a time without jumping through crazy hoops.

I initially wanted us to move to teams but that hurdle stopped us. I'm kinda glad in hindsight.

[-] 10001110101@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

Used Teams for a bit. Seemed fine, just used it like any other IRC clone. Didn't use it for video. Windows has a lot of annoyances; death by a thousand cuts. The Windows ecosystem also sucks: to the point where graphic card and mouse driver installers try to install spyware.

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago
[-] homoludens@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago

Why would we uninstall France?

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Why would we uninstall France?

🤔

German state hits uninstall on France

😅

[-] Bjonay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Aren't French authorities quite ahed on FOSS adoption in their platform? I.e. https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/en

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

even the most sensitive information are collected through Microsoft and government sites use adobe too 🤷 Windows is the OS in almost all government computers.

not to forget all the WhatsApp use for official communication

facebook and xitter accounts of most government offices are still active

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[-] ian@feddit.uk 15 points 1 month ago

Working with information today could be hundreds of times better if there were serious open standards. Switching away from outdated proprietary junk, to an open source version of that junk is great, but late. And, let's hope, its the start of real change. To catch up to where we should have been decades ago if we hadn't been held back by lazy MS et al. Digital information should zip between people and have real meaning. Not have to go through a thick layer of IT, and files and formats, and redundant copies, and silos and having to know tech to get things done. Peoples expectations are so low, they are satisfied with the crap we have today.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

hadn’t been held back by lazy MS et al.

MS is not lazy but working hard to maintain their lead.

edit: Just noticed that my phrasing is bad and could be seen as praise. OP is right, MS is holding everybody back.

I meant to say that they abuse their market domination to maintain their lead.

Look at MS Teams. It was free until Slack was done as a competitor.

MS did things but that's inevitable. The crucial part are the things that they prevented.

It's increadible that OP is even downvoted.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 month ago

You love to see it.

[-] Anon518@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

I didn't see what exactly they're using for a Teams replacement?

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Open desk, is the office suite they use, I suppose. Matrix chat, perhaps?

[-] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

It has an inbuilt messenger based on element, apparently.

https://www.opendesk.eu/de/produkt#chat

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Jup, Matrix indeed. Thx

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[-] wingsfortheirsmiles@feddit.uk 9 points 1 month ago

It was barely tolerable, then they gated proper noise cancellation behind some AI privacy destroying BS. Excellent choice, fu Microsoft

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 month ago

Teams is just an incomprehensible version of Discord. What's the open source version of that? Matrix?

[-] vandsjov@feddit.dk 5 points 1 month ago

Can anything be more incomprehensible that Discord?

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

I want to say various cities/regions in Germany make statements like this every few years? And they usually end up rolling back when it becomes clear the cost to retrain both existing staff and new staff isn't worth it.

That said: This gets the national security bump so maybe it will stick. Also nobody on the planet likes to use Teams.

[-] PatrickYaa@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago

Yes, but: this endeavour comes after/along with the development of a unified "open desk", a replacement solution for the office and collaboration tools from microsoft etc, backed by the federal government. This ensures a base layer of interoperability between offices and makes training probably easier.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

And if it sticks, good. But it still has the fundamental problem of needing to re-train all your existing employees AND train new staff who haven't been brought up in that system.

Its on a completely different scale, but plenty of tech youtubers have done the "Let's get rid of all the Adobe in my life". Some succeed. Most tend to come down on some variation of "I can do about 99% of what I used to do in these two or three tools. And these ten things are actually genuinely easier and more performant. But we can't take a month off making videos to get all of our editors up to speed. And this also removes our ability to contract out an edit to someone with the industry standard workflow". And from my professional experience in different fields, that is true. Hiring someone and then spending a week or a month so they can use YOUR tools becomes a huge burden in not too long of a time.

I really hope Germany pulls it off this time and more governments follow. But I also remember all the other times I have read this story.

[-] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

It's quite easy to use. France is working together with them.

https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/en

The Netherlands have joined last year.

Meanwhile Belgium has bought extra copilot licences and digs itself deeper into the M$ pit.

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[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago
[-] redlemace@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

At my work all but me love microsoft. But ..... They started to complain about teams too. I only use the chat because it's impossible to avoid.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Literally no one I work with likes Teams but we keep using it because that's just what we do. Other options basically don't exist simply by virtue of being either not Microsoft or not overwhelmingly the market leader.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

So you're saying that other options do exist but some companies don't want to use them because Microsoft is very popular, which is kind of a circular thing, and I understand, but it's a sign of laziness, not quality.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure why you're taking a oppositional tone. To be clear I'm complaining, not trying to justify it.

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[-] thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 month ago

This seems to be the same article, but uses a URL that doesn't lead to a page that is essentially blank for me: https://us.afpnews.com/article/?were-done-with-teams-german-state-hits-uninstall-on-microsoft,49PM3G2

[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is that not literally the same link as the OP?

EDIT: Ah, the OP's edit from 30 minutes before your comment has not federated out to your instance yet.

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